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Oct 17th 2013 at 11:17:27 AM •••


  • Flanderization: While Pete's relationship with Goofy is a lot better and less overtly spiteful, Pete's rocky relationship with his son, PJ, worsens and takes over his character. TV Pete may have been strict and not have treated PJ very nicely a lot of the time, but he still seemed to care about his son and occasionally saw what he was doing as a problem. Movie Pete shows no genuine affection towards PJ at all, and seems to regard close relationships between a father and son, in general, as unhealthy.
    Goofy: You know, maybe Max isn't everything you think a son should be, but... he loves me.
    Pete: Hey! My son respects me.

Because I'm not sure it's correctly assessed. As far as I can see, the argument seems to be since Pete doesn't show sympathy/affection for PJ he must have Taken a Level in Jerkass. It is true that Pete shows sympathy for PJ on the show but not in the movies, but that has less to do with a change in his character and more to do with the fact he has more screentime.

  • Affectionate behavior is a very small fraction of what screentime he does have on the show, so it makes sense not to be shown in the movies.
  • Additionally, a large portion of the sympathy Pete shows to PJ comes when PJ is in life-threatening danger, which he wasn't/didn't seem to be onscreen in the first movie, and didn't have Pete around when he was in the second.
  • There were plenty of episodes of the show where Pete was apparently remorseless about his behavior, including several where said behavior was, if not worse than in both movies, worse than in at least the sequel.
  • Nothing Pete does to PJ in A Goofy Movie is new.
    • He's deluded into thinking he's a good parent as early as "Meanwhile, Back at the Ramp." (9/79)
    • He forces PJ to do menial tasks as early as "Good Neighbor Goof." (2/79)
    • He tricks PJ in order to emotionally harm him for giggles as early as "Midnight Movie Madness." (6/79)
    • PJ is terrified of him as early as "Good Neighbor Goof." (2/79)
    • He has PJ "under his thumb" as early as "Everything's Coming Up Goofy." (1/79)

Apr 16th 2013 at 3:10:10 PM •••

Part of the Out-of-Character Moment was removed because of this somewhat plausible explanation that would keep it in-character:

"Keep in mind that Principal Mazur talked with Goofy privately, so PJ probably didn't know for sure what his own father's reaction was. PJ's Mood Whiplash could be explained if he called himself to apologize (or beg for mercy) and found that the punishment wasn't nearly as severe as he feared (it's even possible Pete didn't care, or outright congratulated his son on putting one over on Mazer). Given the hell he was expecting, a result like that would have made him euphoric."

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Apr 18th 2013 at 8:27:51 PM •••

Thank you!

I appreciate that you took the effort to preserve what I wrote (even my spelling error on the second "Mazer"), and I'll try to keep Repair Dont Respond in mind from now on.

Apr 18th 2013 at 9:53:56 PM •••

No problem. If I had a change justification in mind that detailed I'd write it out here too. :) And I appreciate that you took the time to acknowledge my edit reason.

Mar 16th 2013 at 10:12:36 PM •••

  • Pete responds the same way when Goofy refuses to believe him:
Goofy: I don't believe you.
Pete: What.
Goofy: I don't believe you, Pete.
Pete: Well, hey, don't take my word for it. Check your map.

This was removed for being Square Peg, Round Trope, since Pete's inflection was wrong for a Flat "What". If you put it back in, please give reasons.

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