About Jodie's regeneration scene: David was 6'3" and Jodie was 5'5", and so Jodie's costume did not fit on him. While this does not change the unfortunate implications, should it be mentioned in the article?
I was just wondering whether the entry under Buffy for the first Slayer's creation being akin to rape should be removed? I thought that the show made it fairly clear that this was exactly the implication that they were aiming for and - although I haven't seen the episode in a while - it does generate an appropriate response from the characters iirc
Pulled:
- Donna's 'death': While Donna before meeting the Doctor was hardly the most 'deep' person around, she was apparently so worthless and lacking in value as a human being that being reduced to this former personality by having her memories wiped is equal to death — or even A Fate Worse Than Death. This from a show that normally takes pains to stress that everyone has value.
The point wasn't that Donna's prior life was worthless, it was that she hated herself and was deeply unhappy.
This — from the discussion of the Torchwood: Children Of Earth example — seemed to be getting slightly Thread Mode-y, so I tried to chop it down to the essential bits.
- The show's gay creator argues this trope however, claiming that when fans claim Ianto's death as de-gaying the show, "I think you can forget about people picking up gay rights as an issue. It’s rather like children picking up nursery blocks and waving them in the air but having no idea what it entails. We’re talking about issues in my entire life here, not just one small television program. If they did research they’d go and look at the history of gay and lesbian characters that I have put on screen. They should simply grow up, do some research, and stop riding on a bandwagon that they actually don’t know anything about."
- Rusty Davis can bite me. I should only need the work itself to interrogate said work. I don't need to look at the other characters he put on the screen. I am looking at the ones he is putting on how.
- Maybe so, but it certainly makes accusing an openly gay man with a history of works dealing positively with homosexuality of actively subscribing to an anti-homosexual agenda somewhat ridiculous and hyperbolic. An Unfortunate Implication produced by the work, certainly, but evidence of active maliciousness is perhaps going too far.
- And to quote from the top of the page "So, please, no Justifying Edits about 'what the authors really meant.' Whether the creator meant it that way or not is a moot point."
- Anyway, Word of God (via a Torchwood writer at the Gallifrey One con) is that the plan always was for Ianto to die, but in the initial outline Ianto wasn't with Jack anymore but a female school teacher instead.
- You can't really count Ianto's death as Bury Your Gays since that trope specifically doesn't apply to shows where Anyone Can Die and Torchwood is definately a show where Anyone Can,and frequently will,Die.
- The show's gay creator argues this trope however, claiming that when fans claim Ianto's death as de-gaying the show, "I think you can forget about people picking up gay rights as an issue. It’s rather like children picking up nursery blocks and waving them in the air but having no idea what it entails. We’re talking about issues in my entire life here, not just one small television program. If they did research they’d go and look at the history of gay and lesbian characters that I have put on screen. They should simply grow up, do some research, and stop riding on a bandwagon that they actually don’t know anything about."
"Boba is portrayed by a Maori actor, but he hails from a larger, more technologically advanced civilization, coding him as white."
That genuinely sounds extremely racist, like whites are the only race that can be technologically advanced.