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Mar 20th 2021 at 9:16:29 AM •••

Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Ambiguous Name, started by Existential_Tempest on Dec 14th 2017 at 10:25:52 PM

Feb 15th 2018 at 10:00:51 PM •••

Hi, all!

If you look at the edit page, you'll have noticed that I edited a lot of what was on the page. Looking back, I have no clue as to why I failed to put an edit reason down - this is exactly the sort of situation in which it's needed. Well, live and learn.

Briefly, a couple of months ago I kept looking over the page and feeling that there was something distinctly wrong with it. The idea of old, non-mundane powerful items is indeed a trope - but so is the idea of non-mundane powerful items, old or not. Moreover, many of the 'Artifact' tropes didn't include the proviso that they were old. I came to the conclusion that this trope was actually not right for the index and so proposed 'Artifact of Power' on the Trope Launch Pad. This was accepted. I thus moved the index over to that page (adding Ancient Artifact to the new index) and set this up as a standard trope page.

I have no clue as to whether this is standard procedure or not but the system seemed to recognise everything; more importantly, I am of the opinion (and feel free to disagree) that the paradigm of Artifact of Power as supertrope and Ancient Artifact as standard trope fits better than Ancient Artifact as supertrope. Worse than either, though, is that with the old version of this page restored, there are now two mutually-overlapping Artifact supertropes. Could there be a constructive discussion about this to work it out?

Edited by Existential_Tempest
Jul 3rd 2010 at 11:18:06 AM •••

Yes, it does — but there's nothing stopping people from inventing new Ancient Artifacts. The "ancient" part is the age of the artifact In-Universe, so you can find an Ancient Artifact in a work that is newer than the NES. (Come to think of it, RPGs of all stripes love those things.)

Jul 3rd 2010 at 11:19:27 AM •••

Think of the Triforce of Power. In The Legend Of Zelda games, that is definitely an Ancient Artifact. So are half the items in the titles of later games. But we can be sure that the fellas at Nintendo made those things up themselves.

Edited by AnonymousMcCartneyfan
Jul 3rd 2010 at 11:57:50 AM •••

But we don't want to end up listing the public domain artefacts twice.

I've made an alternative suggestion in a pre-existing forum thread, but briefly, I'd keep this page as a supertrope, indexing all the pages for types of artefact we have - Public Domain, Artifact of Doom, etc.

We might also list the artefacts that don't fit into any of the subtypes here, or we might hive them off to a different page.

Jul 3rd 2010 at 11:58:17 AM •••

It does overlap with a bunch of other tropes, but no other trope quite like this exists.

Also, yes, it did indeed go through YKTTW, as the little button in the upper right-hand corner that says "ykttw archive," and that you can click to look over the YKTTW discussion, indicates. It passed the Three Rules Of Three, too.

Edit: Didn't see your last comment before adding the above. Making this page a better supertrope listing might not be a bad idea. And it does not require any major changes to the main write-up.

Edited by girlyboy
Jul 3rd 2010 at 12:11:35 PM •••

The main write up is fine. Ideally, someone in the YKTTW should have noticed the Public Domain Artifact page existed, but we all manage to overlook things at times.

What I really want to avoid is having two almost identical lists of stories about the holy grail/Excalibur/the Treasures of Amaterasu in different places. That doesn't help anyone.

Jul 5th 2010 at 12:31:03 AM •••

I'll make this a supertrope later then, absent objections.

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