Obviously not, otherwise I would say Michelle Jones and this would be on an MCU page.
Obviously not, otherwise I would say Michelle Jones and this would be on an MCU page. (I don't know why this appeared twice, I pressed the post button once)
Edited by brightfan99
Okay, sorry. I had no idea she was hated. I like her better than her comicbook counterpart, so at least from my perspective it's base-breaking.
Re: Brightfan99.
There are definitely parts of the fandom that have warmed up to MJ over time, acknowledging that there was more to her character than just being a screaming damsel in distress and that there were actually quite a few instances where she was completely justified in being upset with Peter.
There actually have been tropes added to the YMMV pages in the past, putting in a good word for MJ, but they've usually been deleted pretty quickly
(as you can see here
, here, here, here, and here).
In addition to what you have in mind (changing her Scrappy entry into a Base-Breaking Character one), another trope that would fit the phenomenon you're describing would be Character Perception Evolution, where the way a fandom views a character shifts over time (in good ways and bad ways).
Edited by TheCoolKat1995
Her reactions seemed normal for a college-aged kid with a verbally/emotionally abusive father and a crush on her childhood friend who said he was going to show up and then just not showing up. Also, whereas damsels in distress are annoying because they freak out and scream their heads off when they could be doing something more productive, when a lunatic on a hoverboard hangs you off a bridge there really isn't much else to do.
While she lacks the frankly insane amounts of confidence she possesses in the comics (which I'm sure is endearing once you get used to it), I would think her insecurities are a case of Most Writers Are Writers, or most actors are actors, or most script writers and directors have at least met a struggling actress.
Edit: Okay, she qualifies in the balcony scene. Forgot about that.
Edited by Ymirsdaughter
Ok, thanks for both of your input to this and I had noticed some edits had been removed which is why I wanted to hear the opinions of other people before I did anything. I have to go to work right now, but once I'm done I'll delete The Scrappy and probably add Character Perception Evolution since that does sound better than Base-Breaking Character. Though I've noticed that the Star Wars YMMV includes both tropes for Anakin, do you think I should do the same here or just use the former?
Re: Brightfan99.
From what I've seen, it's not uncommon for YMMV pages to include entries for both Base-Breaking Character and Character Perception Evolution when they're describing a polarizing character. So I think including both tropes for MJ would be a good idea, to cover the full spectrum of fandom opinion surrounding her.
Edited by TheCoolKat1995
Shouldn't this page get renamed at some point? "Spider-Man Trilogy" is quite generic, and now that the third Tom Holland movie will happen after all, it would no longer apply exclusively to the Raimi movies. I think it should be renamed to "Spider-Man Raimi Trilogy" or something along those lines.
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I'm putting the following example here, since it's half-Natter and needs merging into something coherent, and I haven't watched those movies.
- No Sympathy: MJ continually drags poor Peter through the mud for missing her play, being too self-absorbed to realize that an impoverished student already has too many balls in the air without also moonlighting as a crimefighter. True, he did promise her that he'd come, but sometimes in life people have no control over whether or not they can keep their promises. Grown-ups get that.
- Especially since he still presumably had the ticket as proof that he didn't blow her off if he chose to show it to her.
- Actually, in her defense, her issue was more the fact that Pete was constantly bailing on their plans, and hardly ever saw them anymore, and never gave a decent answer as to why. Also, as far as she's concerned the only thing he has to worry about it school and working for the Bugle.
- Especially since he still presumably had the ticket as proof that he didn't blow her off if he chose to show it to her.
On the YMMV page Mary Jane is called The Scrappy, but is that really accurate now? I see her more of a Base-Breaking Character and sort of like Anakin from the Star Wars prequels, where she was hated back when the films came out but now people are more aware that she wasn't actually that bad. I've noticed some people make videos on You Tube discussing her character in more positive ways, so I'm wondering if anyone else shares that opinion and feels that The Scrappy trope should be removed from the YMMV page?
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