Discussion Characters / TheUltimates

Adaptational Villainy doesn’t quite fit with Fury (who does do numerous and increasingly questionable things to retain his position throughout the Ultimate line), so I’d split the examples between It's All About Me and Well-Intentioned Extremist, since I feel those would fit better. He’s still a Big Good, for all intents and purposes, but he isn’t nice.

The entry does not cite any actual examples. There's nothing to split, I would remove that one entirely.

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It's All About Me is about narssicist characters. It may fit for Stark, but not for Fury.

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In a more general view, the whole entry seems to be written by someone who clearly dislikes the character. The trope entries should be a neutral description of how does each specific trope apply to the character, not a venue for "this character sucks because..." rants. For example:

• "corrupt": was he ever involved in a corruption case? Did he receive a bribery to do something illegal or to let something illegal took place?
• "self-serving bastard", "self-serving asshole", etc: they sound like plain insults, and should be simply removed. And yet, a "self-serving" person is someone who looks after his own interests. Other than the time he was jobless and trying to get his job back, he never factored his own interests in his actions: right or wrong, he was always motivated by national or worldwide security. It may even be argued that the ultimate reason he was plotting to get his job back was to continue defending national and worldwide security.
• "who'll violate the Constitution whenever and wherever he deems it necessary without even having the facts to support his actions." Hm? In which issue is any of that ever discussed? Because it clearly sounds like a rant.
• "Blasphemous Boast: Due to his manipulative tendencies, Fury has quite the high opinion of himself to the point he often takes pride in his ability to take on superpowered threats and come out on top. Case in point..." sounds as if frequently made those boasts, and we picked an example. Is it so? When did he made another one?
• Control freak: everything after the "but" is useless to describe how does the Control Freak trope applies to him. Again, ranting.

Etc, etc. In short, the whole section should be rewritten, removing the rantings. Compare it with the entry on the MCU Nick Fury, which does not advance opinions about the character.

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The entry has been restored, saying that "Ultimates!Fury violated people's civil rights, which was made clear in Ultimate Six when the President yelled at him for imprisoning five of the Six without due process and a lot of his actions were less about the greater good and for himself, such as during Ultimate Avengers, when he plotted to retake the job of S.H.I.E.L.D. from Carol Danvers—which happened with Ultimate!Peter's death, so even if he isn't a case of Adaptational Villainy, he is a case of Adaptational Jerkass." Actually, Ultimate Six proved Fury to be right. What did those people do when they got free? They launched a terrorist attack on the White House, for Pete's sake! Civil rights? Come on! Nick Fury was completely right in keeping those guys under lock and key. If he didn't fill all the due paperwork before locking down a band of Osama Bin Ladens with superpowers, I would rather list it as Screw the Rules, I'm Doing What's Right!

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