Discussion Characters / PathfinderDeities

• From what I can tell, "Core Deities" refers to the setting's central twenty and "Inner Sea deities" to secondary gods with less prominent roles. The names may not be the best, but the division makes sense and is one that Paizo products also make. It's basically like the difference between a work's main and supporting cast; it's founded on meta principles instead of in-universe ones, but it's there.
• "Demigods" is the general page, "Other Demigods" is one of its subcategories. The empyreal lords, archfiends and great old ones have enough material to get their own pages, "Other Demigods" contains the various groups that don't currently warrant dedicated pages, and the main page also contains a few odds and ends that aren't part of any broader group. Seems clear enough to me.
• I mostly agree with discarding the deity-demigod-quasideity ranking, because official material also tends to be rather inconsistent about it. However, I also think that keeping distinct areas for lesser deities that are explicitly the "top rank" of celestial/fiend/elemental/fey/etc. races, as opposed to "just" gods, is a good idea. Besides the fact that they form big, coherent groups, it's also worth noting that they interact with the game as creatures instead of untouchable plot devices — see, for instance, Wrath of the Righteous for an example of how the difference between something like Iomedae and something like Deskari is very real and matters.
• However, again, I don't see much point in keeping deities that are "just" demigods separate.
• Divine heralds are where they are chiefly because they have a connection to the gods, however tenuous, and probably mostly because there's nowhere else to put them.

Edited by Theriocephalus

At a second glance, since the main Demigods page is very sparse anyway, the simplest thing to do would probably be to move Ydersius' folder to the Pantheons page, cut the Iron Gods folder since it's empty anyway, move Erecura to the Other Demigods page, and just turn the main page into an index for its subpages.

• LOG&M simply puts Apsu, Dahak and Hanspur (among others) under Other Gods. I believe that this originated from how they originally received writeups in Inner Sea Faiths (which is explicitly dedicated to some of the less prominent deities in the Inner Sea region).
• Divine heralds should probably be put in a page dedicated to unique creatures, alongside the likes of the creatures featured in Monsters of Myth.

I'm thinking of splitting the pages as such:

• Core Deities
• Racial Pantheons (move Aroden, Apsu, Dahak and Ydersius here)
• Tian Deities
• Outer Gods
• Great Old Ones
• Empyreal Lords
• Monitor Demigods (move the Speakers of the Depths here, with a note that they're a full deity)
• Fiendish Divinities (move the Bound Prince here)
• all the rest (the Azlanti deities aren't really a coherent pantheon and don't have a lot of material on them either)

I suppose that order should work. More changes can always be made later, so it's not the end of the world if it's not perfect.

Regarding unique creatures, do we actually need a specific page to stuff them all under? It seems to me it would make more sense to put them under the character pages for the countries/regions/worlds where they live (Fafnheir's already in the Linnorm Kingdoms page, for instance), since we have those pages and they're chronically underutilized as it is.

(In fact, on that note, the country/region subpages are in terrible shape and need a lot of work, definitely more than the deities ones — I've brought it up on the character page cleanup thread, although so far it hasn't garnered a response]], but the basic issue is that they're almost all way too short, definitely not meeting the minimum character count requirements, and filled with empty headers and sections. In my opinion, right this moment we should be thinking about expanding and consolidating the existing character pages, not splitting off new ones.)

Yes, that's the case currently, but the problem is that some creatures aren't associated with any specific parts of the world (like Grendel and Krampus), and some of them are still part of families that ought to be listed together, despite living in different parts of the world (like kaiju, and indeed heralds). Again, this is a very tentative idea that I still haven't given too much thought to.