Separate the main trio as suggested.
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Sounds fine
(I had a thought of a more even split, but this'll do for now)
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Alternate suggestion - create a page for Post-Impact in general and move everything there, even the tropes about Mei.
Post-Honkai Odyssey only has three playable characters right now, two of which are brand new. Creating a character page just for them is even less of a solution than mine.
If you're telling us to make a work page for Post-Honkai Odyssey, it's a game mode, not a separate work.
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I'm not opposed to splitting Kiana, Mei and Bronya off to their own page, but I'm sure that more characters are going to be introduced into PIO, along with the regular characters being fleshed out with more tropes, so creating a characters page for them now will save that effort down the road.
So far there's no hints in the story about adding new characters, and 3.9 beta doesn't have any character addition to PHO.
How about this: we can make a page for St. Freya Academy characters (Kiana, Mei, Bronya, Himeko, Theresa, Fu Hua) and the rest of the PC is in another page?
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No objections.
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Can I (or someone else) start the moving now?
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It is done
Let me know if there's further suggestions, or if I made any mistake
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When transfering the contents of a page to another as part of a split or redirect, you must never blank the page. Send it to the cutlist instead (which I just did).
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Also, shouldn't the Protagonist and Carole Pepper be on the St. Freya page instead?
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^ Glad you asked, I thought I was the only one thinking about them
TBH I wasn't really sure about putting those two characters there because they're for a separate game mode, but if anybody else think they could fit then I don't mind
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I'd say leave them on the "other characters" page, at least for now. I processed the cut request.
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While I don't mind having "general characters tropes" folder, I'd personally put only tropes that apply to most, if not all, characters, not just one or two. (I'm thinking of Characters.Elsword)
What do you guys think?
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If I put some of the infos back into the individual chararacter's folders, would anyone object?
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Hang on a bit; I'm checking with the other mods on something related.
EDIT: I'll bring this up in the "what goes on character pages" thread when I get a chance.
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My plan is to put ensemble tropes (like a few in the Videogame page, as well as "duo dynamics" like Tomboy and Girly Girl) into the "general character" folder, as well as tropes that apply to a good number of characters at once.
In particular, I also wanna put tropes for specific weaponry that the characters wield, but prior to this "general folder" I don't know how to put this, because some characters share weapons...
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Going by my experience on Characters.RWBY Team RWBY, a general folder is accepted, but its content is strained by the requirement that it must apply to them all, with dynamics being an exception if it's applicable in multiple separate cases.
That said, I'll leave the decision to Willbyr once he gets more feedback on the "what goes in character pages" thread.
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I posed the question here
since there's now an established page for how to build a Characters/ page and the thread I was thinking of was the "Are these Character Tropes?" thread which doesn't really fit this issue.
One more thing: the "general characters" folder didn't account for the same tropes in the "specific characters" folders that are merely potholed. (I already noted this in my edit reason)
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If the general folder proves to be too problematic, then the tropes must be restored to their individual characters. I have a plan for making a subpage for the main trio (Kiana, Mei, Bronya) in order to further cut down on page length.
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I don't think the page's that long currently, though...
The general characters folder can stay, but only for 1) ensemble tropes, 2) tropes that apply to most characters at once.
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I bumped this ATT thread to try to get some more discussion as it ties to what may eventually be done with this page.
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Whelp, looking at the Chinese 3.8 beta, Durandal is playable.
Like I offered before, the main trio (Kiana, Mei and Bronya) would need their own page to cut down the current page's insane length.
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Is it really that long currently? I thought the page will notify it when it's being edited.
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The notifier has now appeared. I told you so.
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One thing that would help would be to move the folders for the tropes that apply to multiple characters to the game's page; it's always been my understanding (and preference) that if a trope applies to multiple characters, it's best to account for it on a work's main page and leave the character page for individual instances of the relevant tropes. Additionally, there are probably some gameplay tropes on the page that would be better suited to the game's page.
I plan on moving some of the main page's tropes away if they belong exclusively to comics. Creating a page for the Second Eruption comic, for example, would unburden the main page by a fair amount. That said, should it be the Comic Books namespace or Web Comic?
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I was initially confused, the main comics being originally Chinese, before being translated into English, while also sporting full colour and manga-like, right-to-left sequence reading.
Since I do not see any ISBN, Web Comic it is, then.
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^ that comic does have a print release, but only in China.
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The notifier has re-appeared, even with shared tropes being moved to the main page.
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Sorry, but...
- All of the Other Reindeer: In her backstory, she was shunned for being the Sole Survivor of the squad that was betrayed by the old civilization's equivalent of Himeko, who was corrupted into becoming the 7th Herrscher and had to be killed by Kevin Kaslana. Fu Hua gained the mocking nickname of "Firewytch's Little Birdie" due to her adoration for the late Captain Himeko, but she still fought for Fire Moth anyway, eventually becoming Dr. Mei's first successful M.A.N.T.I.S. super soldier.
Fu Hua isn't the first M.A.N.T.I.S. super soldier. Kevin was.
I'm afraid this is going to Edit War territory so I'm making myself clear here first
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Is it safe for me to make the edit now?
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After re-reading the "Wings of Origin" extra comic chapter, my understanding is that Fu Hua is part of a new batch of MANTISes after Kevin, so you can change it.
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RE: the change of Subverted Trope to Alternative Character Interpretation for Rita's Villainous Crush entry. I think it should go back to Subverted Trope as ACI is a YMMV trope and the subversion is that, given her ties to the Overseer, she may be playing a long game for some as-yet-unknown purpose (although that seems to be weakened by the 3/1 short). Thoughts?
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Can we start the moving now? I'm thinking of moving the "general character tropes" to the main page.
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Do it.
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Tried to look in Disguise Tropes to no avail, I wonder what this counts as...
- In a supplementary comic, Kallen is in her Phantom Thief disguise as she's holding a Schicksal priest. Then one of the Valkyrie Squad members comes and calls "Kallen Kaslana" and she looks towards the caller, forgetting that she's supposed to be in disguise.
So what are you guy’s thoughts on Raven, the new character that’s being teased in the 3.5 trailer. You think she’ll be a playable Valkyrie, or just a boss character or...? I’m almost certain she’s going to play an important role in upcoming events if Mi Hoyo’s teasing her like this.
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What about we wait until the 3.5 update comes out in the overseas versions first.
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Alright, my bad. Guess my excitement gets the better of me sometimes.
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Here's my planned modification of the page.
What do you guys think? (I also planned of putting some info from the main work page into this one, but not before this discussion is done)
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Anyone?
If nobody had any objections, I'd change the actual character page with the one in sandbox tomorrow.
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No objections. In fact, putting those folders at the top instead of the individual characters is preferrable.
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Urgh, I have no idea how to deal with Welt's character section; there's Walter Joyce (the original 1st), Joachim (the one we see the most), and Cocolia's clones (appear in several comics). The whole package is a spoiler because of Joachim's identity.
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Joyce could be in the "Herrschers" section while Joachim and the clones can be put in the Anti-Entropy section.
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Is the Captain really a "playable character"?
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Moving the discussion here: the playable character page is bloated again.
What's best to do?
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