Discussion Characters / HololiveMinorCharacters

Honestly, I was thinking of adding a guideline for this page to limit characters that have had some sort of visual representation onscreen (live 2D or model). For Nerissa specifically, her sisters and mom are probably fine, but not so sure about her brother (he’s only said one word ever onstream) and her father.

I think having Gori-Mane as a representation of all the Tempus managers is just going to create confusion. I mean, is she like Shinove (the former Holostars JP general manager) or M-chan (Holo ID's manager)? And how different is she from the Holo Myth managers like J-Chad (Calli's manager) or Enma?

Because from what I've seen, most Tempus fans already know that the members have different managers. Hakka said on his birthday stream that he and Vesper shared the same manager. And it's known that Altare's manager is the one who fought hard to have the Holo-Niji collab approved by the upper management and that doesn't necessarily mean Gori-Mane is that manager.

Also, most of Gori-mane's interactions are only with Axel (and likely Bettel). Did she have interaction with the rest of the members? Flayon and Hakka recognized her out of respect but it doesn't mean she's their manager.

You might say, "Yeah, but she represents all the Tempus managers" but in the end, many fans already know she's Axel's manager unless the other members start giving nicknames to their managers like what Holo Myth did.

Edit: I also want to suggest that since she's a Holostar manager she should be under management or other members instead of just shoving under minor characters. I don't know if her folder can be put under the Tempus manager until we get another Holostar EN gen who are not Tempus.

She seems to be in a similar situation to "M-chan" from ID as in its a blanket name for presumably multiple managers.

Myth are in the unique position that Kiara went and assigned a name to a single manager and then other girls followed suit, as the original idea was the EN managers as a whole were going to be called "EnMA" with the design done by Ina.

All the other gens have either gone with this "blanket name manager" approach or at the very least not identified their individual managers with anything but a generic name.

The main argument comes from the April Fools Gorira-Mane debut stream, which is as close as we're going to get to a look at the fictionalized depiction of the character. Where it's made clear she looks after multiple boys, not just Axel.

So how do you approach this? Do we consider Gori-mane to be a Collective Identity like M-chan or a Composite Character? Because as you said, she handles multiple boys but necessarily all of Tempus (e.g. Altare addressed his manager as "he" and never "Gori-mane".)

I think we can trope from the POV of the fictional representation of Gorira-Mane as a character, which is a singular entity. But we can probably include a note that for the live action Gorilla-suit parts she is played by Axel's personal manager.

Hmm. I get your point. Though like I said, most of her interactions with her talents are with Axel so we could say that her primary target of bonking is Axel (and less likely Bettel) who is the most troublesome to deal with while she favors Magni.

Also, based on the April Fool's stream, it seems the boys she handles are Axel, Magni, and Bettel.

So I was thinking of rephrasing the character description to say:

"A TEMPUS manager who is primarily associated with Axel, but has been involved with multiple other boys."

Another point of note is, while these days she got assigned to Axel's manager, the conception of the character (Flayon's stint during the RAFT collab) predates all that. Hell back in those days, I don't think it was said they were even female.

I think it's better if we see Gori-mane more as someone similar to Jenma (Holo EN manager for the three Myth girls) because based on the April Fool's stream she's in charge of Axel, Magni, and Bettel. Altare's manager is a separate person and Altare has no association with Gori-mane. It's going to be awkward and confusing to say in the previous entries under Trivia and the Awesome moments pages where it says "Gori-mane fought for the Holo-Niji collab to be approved". Somebody (e.g. a Tempus fan) reading those entries would end up confused about it. Also, the Gori-mane concept (Raft collab which dated Nov 3) came after Holo-Niji collab (Oct).

I also want to suggest that since she's a Holostar manager she should be under management or other members instead of just shoving her under the minor characters page. I don't know if her folder can be put under the Tempus page unless we get another Holostar EN gen who are not Tempus.

Well I should also point out, TV Tropes as a whole recently has started a purge for Real Life Troping for V-tuber related pages. That is to say, unless it's about the fictional character, it's otherwise not allowed on the page. That's why anything related to V-tuber parents like Mama-Tori was cut, while stuff like Jenma and J-chad was in talks of being next as it's tropes about the real life manangers.

Gorira-Mane is in a unique spot where it's a completely fictionalised character, which is why it was added on the pages.

Also rewatching this: https://youtu.be/Twos_oRN0nE Axel says several times "our Mane-san" not my, so really seems like the angle is being pushed that she's not a solo manager.

All right, then. It seems we'll just make Gori-mane as the fictional representative for all the Tempus managers then if that's case. Any behind the scenes about the individual managers and the talents (e.g. helping talents with their projects or collabs) should be on the trivia page.

This also means the other managers and staff like Omega should be on this page as well, right? Because I'm not sure what Omega was supposed to represent in the Holo EN and we never heard about them since the Tempus debut. They last appear in the Tempus pre-debut manga.

Or at the very least not restricted to just Axel. And yeah, the other manager stuff should be on trivia tbh.

Omega is very bizarre in that they were actually integrated into the lore, but nothing has really come about them aside from being an observer figure for Council and TEMPUS. But there were talks that Omega can stay for now since they are a fictional character.

I feel like giving them their own page (like what we did with error) is the way to go.

Same as with Error and Holox Meeting, these are effectively separate conyinuities. Only concern if a characters page is even warranted so early in the story.

I think so too. I suppose the entry was put there because the one for Mamatori was as well.

Yeah I figured. Just wanted to clarify though.

Grouping the Smol Ames together into the one entry seems like a good idea, but I would give new entries to the other non-smol Alternate Ames.

Well individually they might not have enough tropes for a folder each, especially the one offs. They might also share quite a few tropes too already listed under Smol Ame.

In that case, we should make a new folder that groups all the miscellaneous Ames together. Recurring Ame variants like Smol Ame or Ghost Ame deserve their own entries IMO.

And afaict, all tropes under Smol Ame rn are to do with her specifically.

Yeah if they are very major then they can get their own sub-section. I mean like shared tropes like Alternate Self and Me's a Crowd which would apply to Ames in general.

Indeed. However, even though they share the same tropes, we can have the general Alternate Ame entry's examples be about the shared traits of all Ame variants, while Smol Ame's examples will talk about things that are specific to her. I think that's a good way to go about it.

Yes, that's what I was saying. Smol Ame section has Smol Ame exclusive tropes.

We don't make sections just to have them. If you can write 3+ tropes for them to start, go ahead.

There probably are enough tropes in Ina's folder for them if you can dig them out.

You're fine, nothing broke. It's just the difference detector in TV Tropes being a bit weird when it encounters similar text in certain patterns. Great job on the Airabella entry btw!