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I don't think "lost" necessarily means that he was moving when born, as a lot of people will say they "lost" a baby when it's stillborn. That being said, you have to be born dead to be stillborn. Lucky was just born weak.
It's an adaptation of a scene from the original novel. One of the original 15 is stillborn, and Roger is able to resuscitate it.
The difference is that it was Cadpig that was stillborn in the book, not Lucky. But Cadpig was Adapted Out of the 1961 Disney version, so Lucky took her place.
Regardless, if Roger is able to resuscitate it, could it really be described as "stillborn"?
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I think you're overthinking it.
The semantic accuracy of the terminology used to describe the scene doesn't matter. What matters—especially on this wiki—is whether information is being conveyed clearly and concisely to the audience.
In the eyes of at least three humans and two dogs—none of whom were qualified veterinarians, by the way—the puppy was born dead. This is how it's presented to the audience in every version of the scene. This is how people remember and relate to it. So when you mention Lucky or Cadpig being the one puppy that was stillborn, people familiar with 101 Dalmations will understand that you mean they were the puppy Roger revived in that scene.
Boom. Information conveyed. Package delivered. Job done. Mission complete. Return to base.
Edited by JAG01
It is more important to be accurate to the work than it is to be medically/factually accurate.
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How is using the right word inaccurate to the work? I don't want this to turn into an argument, but even so.
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Artistic License; a work is not always accurate to real life. The goal is to describe what the work is doing, not what the real life situation would be like, except when describing that difference. If a work uses something, like evolution in Pokémon, then the article needs to use that to describe the situation, even if the "correct" word is metamorphosis.
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They didn't use any word in the Disney movie though. I've never read the book, admittedly.
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They don't use the word "stillborn" in *batteries not included, either, but that's what the work portrays.
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How do you mean? Because babies being born nearly-dead and being revived happens IRL too, but that's not called stillborn.
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On the Western Animation/101Dalmatians subpages, it says that Lucky was "stillborn", but is that really true? Firstly, Nanny says that they "lost" him, meaning he probably was moving awhile and then passed out, secondly, he comes around.