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Xiphoniii Cheeky son of a.... from Florida Since: Aug, 2009
Cheeky son of a....
#5726: Jan 16th 2021 at 11:27:44 AM

Yeah, the handler hate seemed way out of proportion. And the constant fat jokes because she likes food were...concerning.

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Perseus from Australia Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
Xiphoniii Cheeky son of a.... from Florida Since: Aug, 2009
Cheeky son of a....
#5728: Jan 16th 2021 at 11:44:12 AM

I never understood why people said that, tbh? She's adorable most of the time, and a cutie at her worst.

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Perseus from Australia Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#5729: Jan 16th 2021 at 11:46:26 AM

Yeah, I don't get it either. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited by Perseus on Jan 17th 2021 at 6:46:34 AM

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#5730: Jan 16th 2021 at 11:46:58 AM

I think dislike of the handler comes from more. There's her being reckless a couple times, but there's also her often blaberring to say nothing of value when you're not advancing the main quest that gets burned into your head REAL QUICK. I still remember to this day the couple sentences she says when you start the high rank quest and you're supposed to collect tracks for the sakura rathian because SHUT UP, I have 36 other things to do before getting to that !

There's also the fact the plot ostensibly wants her to be the brains and the one who explains the plot, but the way the plot is conveyed makes it feel like she's paraphrasing the obvious and everyone treats it as a great discovery, resulting in a lot of captain obvious exposition. "Elder dragons are migrating here because of an unexplained phenomenon, so the zora magdaros must be here because of that too !" Y-Yeah. We know that. Might be the french translation aggarvating things up, for this one, but I doubt it.

I don't really minded her character design, but I did found it weird that her model sometimes gave off the impression she had constant massive eyebags.

Edited by Yumil on Jan 16th 2021 at 8:49:05 PM

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Perseus from Australia Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Mu
#5731: Jan 16th 2021 at 11:48:02 AM

She never bothered me at all. But apparently I just have a higher threshold of tolerance than most gamers because I can't think of an "Annoying Video Game Helper" whose reputation I didn't find to be vastly overblown.

Edited by Perseus on Jan 17th 2021 at 6:49:42 AM

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#5732: Jan 16th 2021 at 11:51:00 AM

To be fair, despite everything I said, back when I played I treated it more as a joke to hate on her than something that geniunely annoyed me. (Except that bit about the voicelines. This one was geniunely annoying.) It's just that as time went on she never really left a good impression on me and the joke stopped being a joke.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
NesClassic Inheritor of the Wing from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#5733: Jan 16th 2021 at 12:39:46 PM

Also for some reason people despise her for not being the Guildmarm, but I never played her game so I have no idea why.
Guildmarm's thing is she's a Cloud Cuckoolander who calls you Doodle, tends to go on bizarre tangents when talking, and also really reeeeally likes Brachydios. She's a walking repository of funny/offbeat dialogue, is the gist of it.

That and people are also attracted to her for two reasons, in contrast to the Handler having a modest outfit and plain face as noted above.

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artfulscruff Since: Apr, 2010
#5734: Jan 17th 2021 at 1:59:48 AM

The Handler never bothered me either. Every character in World is basically some one-note cartoon character, and since the game isn't going for a serious tone or really trying to tell a story, I can live with it.

As for the matter of looks, I'm totally on board with characters being relatively plain-looking (I say 'relatively' because she's *far* from ugly), especially in a Japanese game, which in my experience tend to lean towards fanservice fairly heavily, and because it does get a bit tiring when everyone in a game, or any media, is a stunner. That said, I couldn't help noticing her legs in her Iceborne outfit ¬_¬

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#5735: Jan 20th 2021 at 10:09:53 AM

Might get me a Switch just for Rise, lol. Plus other games on there too.

Anyone who has played the demo, does the Greatsword still have the shoulder tackle move? That's a pretty big part of my playstyle.

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#5736: Jan 20th 2021 at 10:38:27 AM

That it does, plus a new dodge move that moves you a good distance while sheathing and boosting your next attack

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MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#5737: Jan 21st 2021 at 10:36:07 AM

Sweet, thanks for the info. Love the shoulder tackle, almost as much as the TCS. Especially when I've broken monster parts or just slain them with the tackle, lol.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#5738: Jan 26th 2021 at 5:22:24 PM

Rise Special Edition Switch announced for Japan; special edition Pro Controller also announced and sold seperately.

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#5739: Feb 6th 2021 at 2:12:06 PM

I had played the demo several times. Only managed to defeat Mizutsune once, so I'll definitely have to readjust my hunting style when the game comes out (since I never played World, I got too used to the older games' scheme).

If Tetsucabra is in, I'd really love to see the subspecies as well. Berserk was one of my favorite subspecies in 4U!

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#5740: Feb 17th 2021 at 2:58:33 PM

Here's the trailer featured in today's Nintendo Direct:

We get to see two new monsters, Rakna-Kadaki and Almudron. We also see some returning monsters: Basarios, Diablos, Volvidon, Anjanath, and Rajang.

Apex Monsters are also in this game, though I do not think they're the same type of Apex Monsters from Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate.

MJTrooper Since: Apr, 2011
#5741: Feb 17th 2021 at 3:24:33 PM

Apparently the Apex in Rise is called Nushi in Japanese, while the Apex in 4 Ultimate was called Extreme State. I wonder why they're reusing the Apex title for something different. Couldn't they call it something else like "Alpha" instead?

Edited by MJTrooper on Feb 17th 2021 at 3:26:03 AM

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#5742: Feb 17th 2021 at 3:29:34 PM

Yeah, I read about the "Nushi" thing as well. I do kind of like how "Apex" sounds, so I'm not too bothered by the localization reuse.

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#5743: Feb 17th 2021 at 5:16:08 PM

Anjanath was already confirmed to be in due to its armor being shown beforehand. So glad to see Rajang and Diablos back. Basarios? Ehhh, I hope at least to see Rubbas too.

The new Temnoceran is so freaking cool. cool

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ArcanGenth Since: Aug, 2009
#5744: Feb 17th 2021 at 6:26:41 PM

Nyehhhhh. Nerscylla was bad enough. I do not like the new spider. Brrrrr.

artfulscruff Since: Apr, 2010
#5745: Feb 18th 2021 at 8:51:34 AM

I never did play much of the demo for Rise, and my hype for it, well, never really built up. This is at least in part because I have a bit of a backlog to work through, and other games coming up that I'm also interested in, so I'm not sure I have the time for something like Monster Hunter at the moment.

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#5746: Feb 19th 2021 at 8:43:57 AM

The Japanese Monster Hunter Rise Twitter account posted a tweet showcasing a turf war between Tetranadon and Goss Harag.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Feb 19th 2021 at 8:44:14 AM

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#5747: Feb 19th 2021 at 11:49:16 AM

So far the new monsters look pretty dope. My favorites so far are Bishaten (awesome name, no less), Magnamalo, Rakna-Kadaki and Almudron (another cool name).

My only concern is that we have heard of nothing about subspecies. I know they're a controversial topic among MH fans, but there are subspecies I have come to love, such as Purple Ludroth, Sand Barioth, Stygian Zinogre, Berserk Tetsucabra and Shrouded Nerscylla. The fact that Green Nargacuga, Sand Barioth, Jade Barroth and Steel Uragaan were absent in W/I despite their nominate species appearing makes me worry that something similar may happen in Risem not helped by Sand Barioth being potentially retconned out of existence due to the Frostfang variant.

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#5748: Feb 19th 2021 at 12:23:09 PM

Why would the Sand Barioth be "retconned out of existence" by the existence of the Frostfang Barioth? Even if it doesn't appear in any near future games, it doesn't mean that the subspecies never existed in the first place.

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#5749: Feb 19th 2021 at 4:42:42 PM

I just thought that because no monster before it had featured a subspecies and a variant at the same time. Notice how monsters like Kushala Daora, Deviljho, Rajang never had subspecies, whether before or after their respective variants. The only in-universe explanation would be that Sand Barioth doesn't inhabit the New World (at least not the Wildspire Waste).

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#5750: Feb 19th 2021 at 4:57:50 PM

If you include monsters from Monster Hunter Online, then there have been monsters that have both a subspecies and a variant. Monoblos, for example, has White Monoblos as a subspecies and Shattered Monoblos as a variant. Basarios has Ruby Basarios (subspecies) and Crystal Basarios (variant).

I'm still not seeing how a monster having a subspecies and a variant means one of them is potentially getting retconned out of existence.


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