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That's not the Nintendo way, though. Instead, they're going to leave money on the table and squat on their I Ps like a toad, carefully limiting how and when the public gets to enjoy them.
So one nice touch I really like.
You know how certain character pairs (Annette & Mercedes, Hanneman & Lysithea, Caspar & Linhardt, ect.) have unique dialogue when paired together in the mess hall or certain other activities? It's actually quite deeper than that, and changes depending on their support rank.
For example, Hanneman and Lysithea's B-rank support ends on a very sour, harsh note. If you invite the two of them to dine with you while they're at B-rank, their dining dialogue changes from Hanneman fussing over Lysithea, to the two of them apologizing for how awkward the dining atmosphere is. Annette and Mercedes have a similar situation.
It would be nice it there was a way to track unique dialogue like that in NG+.
Feels a little bit annoying that unless you obsessively play the game several times on each route you're most likely going to find these things out from a forum/social media/youtube video.
Goddammit, got inadvertently spoiled for the Flame Emperor's identity (still haven't played the game).
It was totally who I thought was the most likely suspect, but still.
Look on the bright side. You might not experience the shock of finally finding out who they are, but now you get the feeling of suspense as you wait for the reveal to drop. "You can only shock your audience once, but suspense is forever."
Edited by dragonfire5000 on Sep 21st 2019 at 4:44:50 AM
Plus, 3 out of 4 routes make it blatantly obvious long before the big reveal.
Annette-Gilbert and Seteth-Flayn also have unique dialogue that's different before and after the timeskip.
I need to start making a list so I know who to invite to dinner...
Edited by Tarlonniel on Sep 21st 2019 at 5:46:18 AM
I'm not gonna lie, they're pretty dang obvious regardless of route. The red clothes, the axe, the feminine-sounding voice, how she seems very blunt, stuff like that.
Edited by Weirdguy149 on Sep 21st 2019 at 9:14:14 AM
It was to the point I thought it was a red herring. Was very weird.
Don't forget that she's the future Emperor and has a Crest of Flames.
Also, I find it kinda amusing that the end credits for Crimson Flower spoil the identities of Lord Arundel/Thales and Jeritza/Death Knight even though those are technically never revealed in that route, obvious though they may be.
Its least obvious on Golden Deer
This discussion hits some eerily accurate points
BTW I just started my playthrough on Golden Deer and Lys is amazingly stronk. Just nuked the Death Knight with her epic Spikes.
Honestly, i deduced who the Flame Emperor was, after the second boss with Death Knight, and her voice was too distinct to hide with a voice filter. And i confirmed it when Edelgard had a super suspicious convo after Remire.
All the major players are messed up in Three Houses to some extent, While Dimitri's arc is all about redemption and atonement, it's still a theme that every one of the 4 leaders are redeemable, Edelgard, Dimitri, Claude and Rhea.
Lysithea is a cornerstone of any playthrough. Just as long as she's not RNG screwed.
Well we need confirmation who Thales is, otherwise we get another Cornelia incident, since it's never explicitly revealed that Thales and Arundel are the same aside from Voice actor. I recall some players who started with Golden Deer wonder where Arundel went.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:07:10 AM
Wasn't it stated in Crimson Flower?
It's confirmed that Arundel is a high-ranking member of Those Who Slither and the leader of Edelgard's abusers, but I don't think he's ever named as Thales on that route. You know immediately who he is, but not the name, I think.
Edited by RedSavant on Sep 22nd 2019 at 11:55:18 AM
Nothing ever says Thales and Arundel are the same aside from deductive reasoning, and same voice actors.
While I agree that most characters are messed up to digree. I don't think Claude ever did anything that would straight up require redemption. He might play with idea conquering Fodlan, but knowing him I doubt he would actually do it or at least that he wouldn't try compromise beforehand.
Rhea I guess she does needs redemption, but I think it's more for peace of her mind then being actually "guilty" in common sense of word.
As for Edelgard I do think she is certainly redeemable, but that fall little flat as she never seek redemption or forgivness, so even if she redeemable she never capitalized on that and stayed unredeemed.
Edited by Tenzen12 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:50:58 PM
Rhea is guilty, she lied and manipulated an entire continent for Christ's sake, propagated a terrible crest system, executed many without trial, and tried to use Byleth as a vessel to revive her mom. she even admits this in her S support. And yes, in Crimson Flowers, Edelgard has her own redemption, she admits to Byleth that she would have become a monster if not for their support, and becomes a more benevolent leader. It's less played up compared to Rhea or Dimitri. Now Claude is a more interesting case, at the start, he is indeed pretty manipulative, he likely did do a lot of dirty things just to survive as implied by his backstory, and his expertise at poisons, and he outright admits he wanted to use Byleth to achieve his dream, but it is Byleth's influence that encourage him to be a more proactive and heroic individual. Sure it's not a perfect comparison to redemption, but it is a story of a guy rising up to be better thanks to Byleth, like the other 3 players.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:07:47 PM
That's part of the tragedy in each route, that the leaders who you see reach their full potential when you're allied with them end up never really finding peace on other routes. Which is intentional, of course.
yes she lied, but whether it led to current crest system is arguable and honestly covering truth is something that wouldn't work without consensus of all involved.
as far as I am concerned It's on same level as Edie lying to public about church nuking Arianhood, which is one of few things I don't hold lagainst her (hiding it from her closest allies too is different matter though). Information control is important around time of war
As for executing people, she is the court and nothing was done without proper evidence. As far as I could see no innocent were harmed and unless you can prove Church investigation was lacking to decide guilt or innocence there is no point argue about form trial takes. Priests and kings often acted as judges in past after all
As for Edelgard please quote where she said she was wrong.
Edited by Tenzen12 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 9:43:14 PM
And honestly writing a history that actually doesn't villify humanity as evil greedy monsters that they are is not as bad as people think it is.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:55:41 PM
I mean that's the tragic irony isn't it? Edelgard is so obsessed with human supremacy, she willfully ignores the fact that humans committed far more crimes than dragons...herself included. Blaming Rhea for the actions of her allies and handing over Flayn to be experimented on while blaming Rhea for not psychically knowing she and her siblings were being experimented on are just a couple of examples.
Edited by IniuriaTalis on Sep 22nd 2019 at 4:02:25 AM
and her complaints Nabataens shouldn't hold power reeks of saying Minorities should be ruled by the majority, which reeks of Victim Blaming when they were genocide by said majority which forced one of them to be an active part in their society.
Do recall the Book of Seiros paints humanity as evil, Rhea revised history to ensure people would worship the crests as gifts from the goddess not to hide humanity's dark nature.
So you admit Rhea has power over fodlan and can execute people without trial? Like a king? Regardless if they were innocent or not, covering up why Christophe was executed was a terrible move.
Edelgard NEVER blamed Rhea for her and her family being experimented, she wants Rhea out of power because she's the shadow dictator of Fodlan, and propagates the crest system. Considering the slides are written from historian's perspectives, it's clear Edelgard did expose Those Who S Lither's existence to the public, which is more than Rhea could say.
Honestly, no, what right does Rhea have to manipulate the history and Fodlan? Is it really racist to want humanity to make it's own decisions? She has no interest in subjugating Seteth, Flayn or the other elites, and is against Rhea not solely because of her species, but the fact that Rhea is being a shadow dictator to Fodlan.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 22nd 2019 at 1:11:00 AM
Yes it paints those who abuse Crests as evil. Which, as we've seen, the humans who do most certainly are.
Yes it is. Do recall they lived seaprate from humanity and gad their race massacred. She even blames the fact she isn't human and "lacking humanity" as a result for why she is unworthy of leading.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Sep 22nd 2019 at 1:11:40 AM
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