Fire Emblem

Thing about Edelgard's conquering everything being necessary to get rid of crests is that ALL routes have crests become less important :P Like, all three factions wanted to remove importance of crests in society and they all succeed at it. So its kinda questionable if Edelgard trying to conquer everything was necessary for that purpose.

Also, Edelgard doesn't really bother explaining her motives to people she is invading(while also telling them they should surrender :P). Like thats the reason why Dimitri parleys with Edelgard before final battle, nobody has any idea what her motivations actually are

Black Eagles: 25 (missing Dimitri, Dedue, Gilbert, Claude, Hilda, Catherine, Cyril, Seteth, and Flayn)
Blue Lions: 31 (missing Edelgard, Hubert, and Claude)
Golden Deer: 29 (missing Edelgard, Hubert, Dimitri, Dedue, and Gilbert)
Church: 28 (missing Edelgard, Hubert, Dimitri, Dedue, Gilbert, and Claude)

Still not sure why Hilda can't be recruited in Black Eagles. I'm past the point where you fight and kill her in the war phase and I didn't see anything that would make her different from all the other students.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

Not only do they have a short story, but they also get the fewest characters. It's weird how much the Black Eagles get screwed over, given that the pre-release material seemed to focus on them a great deal.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.

Strange, because in the Crimson Flower route, Edelgard mentions distributing pamphlets and manifestos explaining why she's fighting the war, and it DOES help recruit people. Could it be that Byleth siding with her, gave her the confidence that spreading her ideals will win people over? I mean she is herself is doubtful that Byleth will side with her, even in a Black Eagles run.

Yeah, as a Black Eagles player, i'm astounded at much we got screwed over, did Nintendo underestimate the popularity of the Black Eagles? I mean looking at the online stats, Black Eagles is STILL popular.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 19th 2019 at 12:05:53 PM

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

I might be different from other people here, but I consider the Church route to be part of the Black Eagles, since you can only access it by choosing to be head of the Black Eagles.

That's also why I refer to the part 2 routes as Crimson Flower, Silver Snow, Azure Moon, and Verdant Winds, instead of by the House names.

Which is which?

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.

Ehhh, The Church route is such a discount Golden deers route, it's not fun to play. At least as a player who played Golden deers first.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Crimson Flowers is Edelgard's route, Azure Moon is Dimitri's, Verdant Winds is Claude's, and Silver Snow is the church.

x6 It's kind of shitty considering Edelgard is the first main female lord since Eirika.

This song needs more love.

The fewer characters, at least, makes sense when you consider the aims of the Crimson Flower route - any diehard Church loyalist is going to say no dice.

Shorter chapters, I’m not sure why, maybe it was a development time issue.

I don’t think they’re biased against Edelgard, so to speak - you’re allowed to get a happy ending on her route without being constantly told you’re a piece of shit (aside from where it would make sense for people to say that, at least).

Oh God! Natural light!

Except devout Church followers Marianne and Mercedes can both join you on that route.

Planned Master classes for the Blue Lions:

Dimitri: His unique class, I forget the name
Dedue: Great Knight
Felix: Mortal Savant
Sylvain: Wyvern Lord
Ingrid: Falcon Knight
Mercedes/Annette: Gremory

Donno who I'll have Dance, Sylvain did in my Deer playthrough so I'd like to pick someone else this time. Maybe Ferdy.

Song of the Sirens

I currently have an S rank with Edelgard and Dorothea. Without spoilers, who has the better paired ending?

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.

I did both of them, so...honestly, I liked Dorothea’s a bit better just because of how sweet it is, but Edelgard’s is also pretty good.

True, though they don’t actually WORK for the Church or have personal loyalty to Rhea, which now that I think of it is probably the deciding factor.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Aug 19th 2019 at 4:31:56 AM

Oh God! Natural light!

IIRC, Marianne decides her own crest issues are more important than her faith in that case.

Do you think it's possible, if you don't go out of your way to recruit students from other houses, to complete the game on Hard without benching anyone? I was thinking of starting on Crimson Flower since that is the route with the fewest characters, and then do the other routes with statue bonuses from NG+, but I'm wondering if it might work when starting on another route as well.

I'm also wondering about the feasibility of making everyone a different class on such a run. I know this would require leaving some characters in Advanced Classes, but I'm hearing that apparently some Advanced Classes are about equal to Master Classes?

That's more or less what I did. Black Eagles, just recruited Lysithea, Ingrid, and Sylvain, then brought along some of the teachers to serve as adjutants. It worked out well enough.

Some of the characters languished at Advanced classes, less by design and more because 65% was actually 0% for them, week after week.

Some advanced classes seem to be designed to stay in them, as well.

Meanwhile, I just had Ingrid go straight from Pegasus Knight to Falcon Knight. Building up her axe levels to qualify for Wyvern Knight was too much work.

De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.

Same; the class tree advancements seem really weird in some cases. There's no clear advancement from Sniper or Assassin, unless you pivot hard and start putting the character on Stable Duty every week to maybe get them to Bow Knight before the game ends. **coughPetracough**

And yeah, I feel like that's the big tragedy of it all. It's like Claude says in Crimson Flower; there's nothing left but to clash, and say that in the end the winner's ideals were stronger. I do think that Dimitri could have been a powerful ally against Those Who Slither if he could have been turned aside from his fixation on killing Edelgard, but that's not how boars work...

It's also tragic that Rhea doesn't share information. I understand not just casually dropping the "oh hey we're all dragons and I'm Seiros, also I want you to turn into my mother" thing to a bunch of 18-year-olds, but allying with her would have really helped solve a lot of the issues. I'm just not sure if she hates humans as much as it seems in other routes.

Edited by RedSavant on Aug 19th 2019 at 9:12:40 AM

It's been fun.

At the very least, I feel like there should have been more Master classes than Advanced classes. As-is, there's some awkward convergences where some Advanced classes have no logical class to promote to (Hero and Assassin) or require they pick up too many secondary proficiencies (Warlocks, Bishops, and Snipers all needing to learn lances and riding, for example) to really manage.

Also, Crimson Flower being so much shorter is pretty painful in that regard. I'm at the second-to-last chapter and only two of my units are even Master tier at this point, Ingrid and Shamir, and only because the former skipped Advanced tier and the latter joined as an Advanced class. Felix is even still stuck in Intermediate tier because he keeps failing the exam to become a Swordmaster. It's not a huge deal since everybody is still pulling their weight, but it bothers the perfectionist in me who wants everybody to be a completed Master unit.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Aug 19th 2019 at 9:58:53 AM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!

If Edelgard is a main lord, then so is Micaiah.

Also, consider this: If you play as female Byleth, the story is about a conflict between three women.

Based on their A support, I can see Marianne deciding to follow Byleth and friends regardless.

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My planned Golden Deer masterclasses

• Claude: Wyvern Master
• Raphael: War Master
• Leonie: Bow Knight
• Marianne: Holy Knight (she's going to spend a while as a Cavalier)
• Lysithea: Gremory
• Lorenz, Sylvain: Dark Knight
• Felix: Mortal Savant
• Bernadetta: Bow Knight
• Ferdinand: Great Knight
• Ingrid: Falcon Knight

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Beat Blue Lions. Final map looked scary, but wasn't that bad in practice. Male Byleth married Ingrid. Ashe with Mercedes (and here I was trying to get her with Annette). Felix with Bernadetta (heh). Dimitri with Dedue. Who says there's only one M/M relationship in the game?

Map wise it was better than Edelgard's route by a decent amount, especially with more actually big maps, but overall still underwhelming. Story-wise, again, better than Edelgard's route, if only for more time allowing the war to breathe a bit. But while the war itself was somewhat decent, there were still too many relevant questions left unanswered. Like what really happened at Duscur. Where is Patricia? Did Thales just get away (seems like it since a lot of mages abandoned Edelgard)? Why didn't Edelgard kill Rhea, especially since Rhea didn't even do anything? Punished Dimitri carried the whole thing hard with his development.

Dimitri, Felix, and Lysithea (again) are gods. Byleth, Ingrid, and Dedue were great. Bernadetta, Ashe, and Seteth were decent, though underwhelming at times. Annette danced. Mercedes was a Physic bot. Sylvain contributed, but his growths didn't keep up.

Deer Boy next. Going in expecting some better answers, but more importantly, wandering why the Alliance shouldn't be treated as a joke faction. They have not impressed in any capacity thus far.

Dimitri is probably going to punch his way into my top 5 lords. Sorry Hector.

Edited by Sterok on Aug 19th 2019 at 7:03:51 AM

I consider Micaiah half of a main lord with Ike being the other half.

Edelgard is unequivocally the main character of Crimson Flower because Byleth is a walking plot device and vessel for dating mechanics and not an actual character.

Edited by LordVatek on Aug 19th 2019 at 10:07:05 AM

This song needs more love.

I get the feeling that Claude himself is connected to something much bigger, but yeah, the majority of the Alliance seems to be "a bunch of Empire and/or Kingdom nobles who are in denial about being those, and wanted a bigger table to sit around". Especially with how fast Gloucester goes "Oh, you mean this gate key" when the Imperial army asks nicely for a road into the Aquatic Capital.

It's been fun.

That’s not really fair to them, I feel. Granted, they’re a fairly new nation, and sharing power amongst themselves can leave them rather fractured, as you’ve no doubt observed, but they still have their own thing going.

I do think that it might have been nice for them to do something a little more impressive, though. Maybe Claude could blow up the Great Bridge of Myrddin on Crimson Flower to halt the Empire’s advance, or something like that?

I don’t know, Byleth manages to take being a Silent Protagonist and squeeze a bit of character out of it, I feel. Albeit mostly by making their somewhat emotionless nature part of their character, but still, it’s something.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Aug 19th 2019 at 10:13:44 AM

Oh God! Natural light!