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So the new pics of the Narrative Gundam B Packs confirm that the torso section is a Core Fighter that looks eerily like the RX-78's.

Amuro's Learning Computer?

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So does this make three times people have tried making a digital Amuro or four?

Regardless of your opinion of the last American election, we can all agree on one thing- The Chinese Communist Party can choke on scrotes!

I only know of Crossbone Gundam and Battlogue off-hand.

Compared to Char, that's peanuts.

Speaking of which, is it just me or is it weird that Char Aznable is more famous than Casval Deikun, In-Universe? For Char's Counterattack, he's going by Char, indicating that despite Dakar, the Char persona is more mobilizing to Zeon than being Zeon's son. Just... interesting.

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It's recently started and I am searching for people familiar enough with Gundam to consider participating in the cleanup.

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The Deikun's are very important people, but they're still people. Char, at least by CCA, is a symbol. Big difference there.

Edited by kkhohoho on Oct 18th 2018 at 12:40:28 PM

See, I kind of have to disagree. Char is a symbol to viewers, sure, but In-Universe the Zeon family was implicitly a greater symbol (hence at Dakar he's revealing that he's not only Char... but also that Char is Zeon's son).

In MSG, Char was just a man. In Zeta, he goes from man to legend by invoking his birth name. Then, with nothing happening in between other than "fighting under another pseudonym," apparently it's "Char Aznable" that's putting asses in seats? I know the Doylist reason is "fans fucking love Char, dammit" but it doesn't make a lot of sense in a Watsonian sense.

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Yeah, it always sort of bothered me that Char's still going by "Char" in CCA, even as he's invoking his father's legacy and using his status as "the son of Zeon Deikun" to give his movement legitimacy. I mostly chalk that up to real-life marketing, honestly — the audience knows and loves Char, not Casval, so Char he is, even of going by Casval would make more sense narratively.

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Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

The way I see it, referring to himself as "Char, son of Deikun" has a two-fold effect:

1) The legends of the White Devil and Red Comet would stick in a lot of people's minds, even by the time of the Second Neo-Zeon War. So disregarding what Casval pulled in order to get away from Kycillia's goons, the idea of a prince who fought in one of humanity's greatest wars would naturally garner a lot of sympathy from some people.

2) He's probably lived as "Char" for so long, that it's become a part of who he is. He doesn't see himself as "Casval Rem Deikun," he sees himself as the Red Comet, a man who eluded assassination for so long, he might as well not be Casval anymore.

Spelunking through a Halo Ring is something else...

In a way, people uniting under Char and not Casval makes sense. Who'd you prefer to serve under: Casval, a supposedly-dead son of the principality's namesake who's probably just some silver-spoon nob who probably doesn't know what he's talking about, or Char, a proven war hero and death-dealing master pilot who's name, nom de guerre and skills are known throughout the Earth Sphere? (who admittedly also probably doesn't know what he's talking about?)

Or in layman's terms, do you prefer the aristo or very skilled asskicker?

I find it amusing Char never did gain his own Gundam.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

In Zeta, people were urging him to be leader because he was Char Aznable, not because he was the son of Deikun. I don’t think he was necessarily going by Char in CCA, it’s just that people got used to calling him Char. Also, hi. I’m sort of an “on and off” Gundam fan, and I have occasionally ogled this thread.

P.S I will always find it most ironic that Char became the most recognizable character of the franchise despite never piloting a Gundam (the Hyaku Shiki doesn’t count).

He pilots a Gundam Mark II once early in Zeta.

That is true, I forgot that.

Not unless you count Gihren's Greed

Yeah, it'd have been neat thematically if it he was Casval during CCA. The three Char Personas could all be individually named instead of OG Char and CCA Char. And it could have worked in story. CCA Casval is maskless. He's not hiding behind his Char mask or his Quattro shades. With all the talk of his "purity" this is the case. Casval boiled down to his barest state, that of anger at everything from humanity to Amuro. Where his deepest desire for that final rematch is at its forefront. Where he's unrestrained by the ethics to which his masks clinged them to.

Maybe, It's been a long ass time since I saw the bits of CCA that I did.

EDIT: I like how the Narrative Gundam's half shields are made from the Jegan shields. That's cool.

Edited by DrPsyche on Oct 18th 2018 at 1:11:33 AM

Speaking of Char, Why do people honestly find him to that impressive an antagonist? Looking objectively at his track record, he honestly is kind of rubbish. His skills as a planner are severely lacking (See just hanging around the Zabis and hope for a chance to kill them to somehow appear instead of planning a coup d'état.) As a ace pilot, he only seems impressive when mobile suits are in their infancy otherwise he is firmly mediocre.

His rivalry with Amuro is actually not this legendary epic feud but mere mutual annoyance that they keep getting in each other way that only becomes bitter and personal after Lalah dies (which means about two or three days in universe) and then they bury hatchet pretty fast in Zeta and even when Char tries to reignite the feud in CCA, Amuro seems pretty over it for the most part.

In MSG, he is a smug sociopath who is nowhere as clever as he thinks he is and an utter hypocrite who happily aided the Zabis in committing war crimes. In Zeta, he's a callous jerk who refuses to take any real responsibility, is a terrible mentor to Kamille and abandons the group that he is suppose to be leader of in their most desperate hour. And in CCA, he's a petty insane manchild who's well-intentioned extremism is as utterly shallow as most of his emotions and incredibly stupid if you put any real thought into analysing the his Axis drop plan. This is a man who's famous last words are pathetic childish petulance. He is not charismatic, sympathetic or lest of all, admirable.

To be fair, he did give leading the AEUG a proper go and achieved impressive success. It's just that Haman stomped him flat and broke his will.

What's precedent ever done for us?

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Yeah, Quattro is actually probably my favorite Char.

MSG Char is a Smug Snake and I must admit, even if you don't think he has charisma, he does have panache. And that counts for a lot as a viewer. However his popularity and fame In-Universe is pretty weird. Like, performing well at Loum is neat... except the entire point of Loum was "Mobile suits curbstomp everything" and he had the single best suit there. And as a commander, he was rubbish. I did like how Origin added a scene of him fighting Amuro in Jaboro, and Amuro's in a GM and getting wrecked, and Char's like "this can't be the same pilot as before" because the GM can't keep up.

Neato burrito. I wonder if they added an ending or if it just fucking stopped like the OVA.

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Mostly because he's got style. People will forgive a lot if you look cool doing it. But yeah, otherwise agreed that Char is pretty mediocre in practice — at least in terms of named characters.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Apparently according to the Origin he was infamous because the only thing special about his mobile suit during Loum was the fact that it was painted Red and had a fin on it, the Tri-Stars had better suits and he still caused more trouble.

Char kinda especially lacklustre if you put him against Zechs

Edited by MightyKombat on Oct 19th 2018 at 5:06:31 PM

Always thought that Zechs taking over the White Fang felt kind of rushed and out of no where.

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Remember alot of Char as we know him is from 3 different incarnations from 2 series and movie

So yeah picking him apart from Now standards He doesn't seem all that impressive

It still remains that Amuro mostly "survives" his early encounters with Char cause A:Char has no real interest in killing him and B: The Gundam is for the most part Nigh indestructible with current means available to Zeon.

Char looked cool

He was scheming in the background to the point you wonder if he was just chasing White Base to kill time while he plotted to murder the zabis

Zech's CCA phase seemed to be the most rushed compared to his Char and Quattro phase

Then again even as a Wing Fan, The Fourth Act with the White Fang is generally what I consider the weakest of the Acts from the Fang being the unnatural progression for the final antagonists

I mean seriously The Third Act ENDS with OZ/Romafeller/Who DA FUCK EVER destroying the Sanc Kingdom and Relena is not only forced to surrender but admit that her ideals can't exist in the real world

The Gundam pilots and Zechs are now all aimless 'plus the whole Zero/Epyon told me you needed to die thing for Zechs and Hero'

and then in the span of like three episodes the entire power structure is flipped on its head.

Zechs is the one Char clone who didn't need a CCA phase... cause Zechs for the most part unlike Char has a general idea of what he wants after Revenge

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Oct 19th 2018 at 11:27:53 AM

Yeah I do appreciate that Origin gave Char a huge buff. He got more enemies to fight rather than Amuro, and they were in decent suits, some of his dumber moments were jetisoned, his backstory got fleshed out, and his strengths as an MS pilot shone more with his weaknesses. The Zeong was a Glass Cannon to the extreme in this version, as it well should be.

And I'm glad that the Zaku II got a proper send off.