Sounds like a pretty awesome idea, and I'd be perfectly willing to contribute.
If it's worthwhile, I can make the resulting recommendations into a Spotify playlist, but that's not available in the US (yet), so I dunno whether it's worth it...
Listen to Music with Tropers at The Troper Turntable!Sounds interesting. I'd like to contribute if I can.
Welcome To TV Tropes | How To Write An Example | Text-Formatting Rules | List Of Shows That Need Summary | TV Tropes Forum | Know The StaffI'd be interested in contributing.
no one will notice that I changed thisI'd like to contribute.
I'm up for it.
"I could eat a knob at night" - Karl Pilkington:D
What I was thinking is that it would be divided into a few genres. In my case, I'm thinking Rock, Metal, Electronic, Hip-Hop, Jazz, Classical, and etc (country, world, noise, the less popular stuff basically). Stuff can be added or subtracted at will. It's all suggestions.
Since we have several people walking aboot here, I figure we'd just make a new topic for each genre, and mention albums we'd like to see on the recommended list. So long as there is a decent consensus, it would go onto the chart.
Example: I adore Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III. Seeing no hip-hop topic for this, I create a topic titled "Tv Tropes Approved - Hip-Hop" (something like that) and mention I think Tha Carter III is amazing and should be added. I get burnt into a crisp by the sheer hate towards me, but other albums in the genre come up that do win people over for the most part, like Nas' Illmatic or cLOUDDEAD's Ten.
Does that sound alright?
edited 12th Jul '10 2:53:30 AM by Neccy60
http://www.last.fm/user/BlueGhost60That sounds fine to me - however, would it be a good idea to come up with a list of genres now and create them all simultaneously, rather than have people randomly create threads for things as they go along? I just wonder whether that might be a bit less chaotic and lead to less of a bias towards genres which have more fans.
Also, would there be a way of keeping a catalogue of all the recommended albums from all the threads in one place? Maybe a stickied thread or something?
Listen to Music with Tropers at The Troper Turntable!I'd just recommend that Electronic be split up a little bit - not into the insane amount of fragmentation that a lot of people prefer, but just into maybe four or five different genres. Electronic by itself is a little too general.
im in yor baes, sappin yor sentrysGiven the vast number of electronic music fans here, I'm inclined to agree. I think the same of rock (maybe split into rock, alt rock, punk and metal?).
How many folk/world/roots music fans do we have here?
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Out of sight... out of mind... out of hope, and out of time...You're forgetting that if you're thinking about splitting rock and electronic threads, you'll get a splitting headache from metal (huh huh).
And you know you'll have to.
^^^ A few - I'm a folk fan, and as far as I can make out Meta Four is very much into that area.
On the subdividing of genres - there are a truly ludicrous number of tiny subdivisions within each genre. For an obviously-biased-towards-my-favoured-genre example, if we start with something as broad as 'Rock', I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with a list of 50 or more sub-genres, and a fair few of those would come under Alt-Rock alone. At the very least a split between 'Classic' and 'Alt/Indie' Rock would seem a wise move. Let's not even think about metal...
EDIT: Ninja'd on the metal problem
edited 12th Jul '10 2:45:29 PM by Saeglopur
Listen to Music with Tropers at The Troper Turntable!Metal is a subgenre of rock, and deserves only one thread, surely?
Is that flame bait?
Welcome To TV Tropes | How To Write An Example | Text-Formatting Rules | List Of Shows That Need Summary | TV Tropes Forum | Know The StaffConsidering the maddening number of sub-genres for metal and the obsession/devotion displayed by its fans, I think it's safer to consider metal a completely separate genre.
edited 12th Jul '10 2:48:13 PM by KitsuneInferno
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.Would punk rock recommendations go in the alt rock thread?
Welcome To TV Tropes | How To Write An Example | Text-Formatting Rules | List Of Shows That Need Summary | TV Tropes Forum | Know The StaffI would personally agree that Metal only really needs one thread, but I'm in no position to comment. It's more a case of once the thread is started, how many different sub-genres there'll be within it and how out of control it'll get.
How about this for a provisional list of genres, though?
- Classical
- Musical Theatre and Soundtracks
- Jazz & Blues
- Soul, Funk and old school R&B
- Classic Rock
- Alt/Indie Rock
- Pop
- Metal
- Punk/Hardcore
- 'Dance' (House, Trance, D&B etc)
- 'Electronic' (Ambient, Techno, Minimalist etc)
- Hip-Hop & Rap
- Reggae/Dub/Ska
- Folk/Country/World
Could anyone with better knowledge of electronic music clear up my rather poor attempt to broadly seperate it into two?
edited 12th Jul '10 3:02:03 PM by Saeglopur
Listen to Music with Tropers at The Troper Turntable!We don't seem to have anything for pop (classic * or modern).
Grime and trip-hop would come under rap/hip-hop, I suppose.
edited 12th Jul '10 3:00:52 PM by BobbyG
Welcome To TV Tropes | How To Write An Example | Text-Formatting Rules | List Of Shows That Need Summary | TV Tropes Forum | Know The StaffAh shit, I did indeed forget Pop. HURR DURRRRR! Thanks for pointing that out Bobby, edited it now. And yes, I can't think of a better place for those two to go unless it counts as electronic...
edited 12th Jul '10 3:04:00 PM by Saeglopur
Listen to Music with Tropers at The Troper Turntable!I tried making the genres as broad as possible, but there is definitely leeway.
Metal has its own because it is fucking huge with all the sub-subgenres it has. Of course, that can be altered.
Hm. What if...we made one topic for Rock/Electronic/etc, but within the topics themselves, we can divide the recommended albums among subgenres? That way there aren't loads of topics everywhere and it stays relatively neat. (Example: create Electronic topic, people mention several albums that are excellent or accessible points to a particular subgenre of electronic, or electronic music in general (their call).) As far as covering all divisions of a genre, it's simply a matter of people recommending more albums. I think 25-50 albums per big genre is a excellent number range for our purposes.
http://www.last.fm/user/BlueGhost60That could work.
I must say, my inner folk purist cringes at sharing a category with country music, but I daresay there's enough of a listener overlap that they can go together.
Welcome To TV Tropes | How To Write An Example | Text-Formatting Rules | List Of Shows That Need Summary | TV Tropes Forum | Know The StaffGuys, you think we could leave "Rap and Hip-hop" and "Hip-hop", or am I being a pedant?
You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!I would just call that "hip-hop" and all hip-hop/rap/turntablism/etc would go there.
Granted, the genres don't have to be strict.
http://www.last.fm/user/BlueGhost60As far as the metal issue goes, I think we could satisfy a lot of people by splitting it just into "Metal" and "Death Metal."
For Electronic, I'd have three categories: Dance (House, Trance, Techno, Minimal), Breakbeats (Dubstep, Drum n Bass, Breaks), and Electronica (General Electronic, Ambient, Downtempo/Trip Hop, etc). Really, that's still pretty broad, but it's probably the best we can do.
edited 12th Jul '10 7:52:46 PM by Scrittah
im in yor baes, sappin yor sentrys
As I drifted through the wastes of the internets, it occurred to me that several websites exist that have a list of bands/artists and their "best" albums for each genre, highly recommended by either the site owner or by participants on the site's forums. So, being the bored pissiant I am, I thought, "Hey, maybe TV Tropes could make a list of highly recommended bands, too!" Hence this conversation.
So what I figure is that we can gather around and make a list of bands and albums for several genres (rock/electronic/classical/etc, subgenres can be covered too) that we collectively recommend trying out, either due to how accessible they are, or how awesome they are (preferably both).
Would anyone be up for something like this? It would be fun, and certainly would be good for discovering new music.
inb4 tropecore
http://www.last.fm/user/BlueGhost60