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rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#19801: Jul 16th 2018 at 6:41:54 PM

Well sure, squirrels are dicks. Which makes them like humans and a legitimate target for Karsing.

Edited by rikalous on Jul 16th 2018 at 6:41:49 AM

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#19802: Jul 17th 2018 at 6:59:07 AM

He also saved a dog while hunting the Red Stone earlier. So it cancels out.

This is because originally he was supposed to fight Lisa Lisa 1 on 1 and lose outright before becoming Ultimate Kars and fighting Joseph.

But SJ in those days weren't super into a woman being so important in a shonen and they made Araki change it, so Kars instead tricks her and defeats her that way.

While I could believe this, is there some kind of proof for this?

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Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#19803: Jul 17th 2018 at 7:09:46 AM

Can't track the exact source but I think it was in a magazine interview.

It felt pretty likely to me because Joseph vs regular Kars is a very short fight (mainly revolving around a rope trick, something we had already seen), Lisa Lisa is built up so much to get no solid fight, and like I said Kars having an anti-honour attitude (which is the main reason that he's considered a weak villain by the fanbase) comes out of virtually nowhere so he is free to trick Lisa Lisa.

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Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia Since: May, 2010
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#19804: Jul 17th 2018 at 7:19:00 AM

It fits Araki's style too. In interviews, he's said that the longer he wrote shonen manga, the more he felt like women should be able to do the same things as the men. He was able to do more and more with the women over time, but there was always pushback.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#19805: Jul 17th 2018 at 2:18:25 PM

It wasn't until Part 6 that he was really able to do it successfully. SO is one of the most atypical stories ever to run in shounen jump. I think he was probably happy to move onto Ultra Jump afterwards.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#19806: Jul 17th 2018 at 2:40:37 PM

I'll never understand the issues with keeping women out of the action in some Shonen.

It is that thing about executives being convinced that boys just don't want to see girls in their awesome battles or something like that?

Of course, there's also the issue of other authors just being bad with their females in the first place, though it's good to hear that Araki is trying to be better about that.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#19807: Jul 17th 2018 at 2:42:40 PM

To some degree they're unfortunately not wrong. Araki mentioned that he got letters criticizing Jolyne for her lack of femininity.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#19808: Jul 17th 2018 at 2:50:57 PM

Huh.

Different standards I guess. Japan has always been pretty stuck on that.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#19809: Jul 17th 2018 at 2:52:23 PM

That being said I still commend Araki for using his clout to do it anyways.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#19810: Jul 17th 2018 at 2:57:34 PM

Well Japan’s behind the times, what do you expect?

...... Huh Stone Ocean ran in the early 2000’s so yeah they are really behind the times.

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#19811: Jul 17th 2018 at 2:59:55 PM

[up] But are slowly getting there.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#19812: Jul 17th 2018 at 3:02:07 PM

[up] Oh yeah slowly..... at a diseased snail’s pace........ in 2018 & beyond.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 17th 2018 at 3:04:04 AM

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Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#19813: Jul 17th 2018 at 3:04:18 PM

[up]MOVING ON...

Who do you think wwho could be the suitable English V As for Koichi and Okuyasu in the upcoming dub of Di U?

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#19814: Jul 17th 2018 at 3:22:00 PM

Justin Briner and Christopher Sabat, respectively

[down] what dubbing company is handling it?

Edited by Aleistar on Jul 17th 2018 at 7:57:43 AM

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#19815: Jul 17th 2018 at 3:36:08 PM

[up] They're Texas based, the dub will be LA-based.

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Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#19816: Jul 17th 2018 at 4:52:51 PM

I'm not sure how Jolyne lacks femininity. Sure, she's tough and all, but we see plenty of soft moments with her like when she was with her fake boyfriend or when she thought she had Jotaro's concern and was blushing about it.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#19817: Jul 18th 2018 at 6:37:26 AM

Sexism, like racism, is the product of emotions, not logic.

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Vertigo_High Touch The Sky Since: May, 2010
Touch The Sky
#19818: Jul 19th 2018 at 7:55:10 PM

They complained that araki was drawing her too masculine later on. I think it's less she's a girl and more that she wasn't "girly" enough. That's a set of issues in itself, but it has nothing to do with jolyn being allowed to kick butt, which was lisa's situation.

But yeah the NO GURLS ALLOWED TO BE BADASS attitude is so stupid and petty it's frankly embarassing. I can imagine some 40-something year old guy reading the draft, his face curling into a scowl, and saying " I don't like this. Change it, women aren't supposed to do these things araki, boys can't relate to this! Please understand..."

Edited by Vertigo_High on Jul 19th 2018 at 7:57:36 AM

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#19819: Jul 19th 2018 at 9:29:26 PM

I find it pretty interesting that Lisa Lisa is still alive in Part 3 as she's spoken to over the phone. While she was a baby in Part 1, she's the only character that's not Dio or Kars who was alive in Parts 1, 2 and 3. I wonder how old a hardcore Ripple User would look at 100, though I assume she's passed away by Part 4

Speaking of Kars, how long do you think he floated the vacuum of space before brain death put him out of his misery?

[down] Wouldn't she be 110 at that point? Not that's impossible even in Real Life, but even with the Ripple mastered she'd probably be more frail than Part 4 Joseph

Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Jul 20th 2018 at 9:06:40 PM

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#19820: Jul 20th 2018 at 1:19:47 AM

You know, it's popular in fanfiction to have Shizuka become a Jojo and train under grandma Lisa Lisa.

Sigilbreaker26 Serial Procrastinator Since: Nov, 2017
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#19821: Jul 20th 2018 at 5:10:17 AM

I'm not suprised that fanfic focuses on her getting the ripple, since her stand doesn't have any direct attack purposes.

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Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#19822: Jul 20th 2018 at 5:10:56 AM

A quack doctor performing unsafe aesthetic surgeries is all over the news in my country, so this new Jojolion chapter couldn't be more accidentally well-timed.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#19823: Jul 20th 2018 at 7:22:44 AM

I find it pretty interesting that Lisa Lisa is still alive in Part 3 as she's spoken to over the phone.

Wait, when was this?

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#19824: Jul 20th 2018 at 7:30:26 AM

I believe it's not directly, but I think Suzy mentioned talking with her at one point.

ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#19825: Jul 20th 2018 at 10:10:59 AM

I do wonder what Lisa Lisa's stand would be actually.


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