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CaptainNapalm Totally Not a Schoolboy from a closet. Since: Mar, 2010
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#1276: Aug 15th 2010 at 9:53:03 AM

^ I beg to differ, my (Red) Gyarados is Docile when she's in a good mood...

edited 15th Aug '10 9:55:41 AM by CaptainNapalm

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AceOfScarabs I am now a shiny stone~ from Singapore Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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#1277: Aug 15th 2010 at 9:55:49 AM

Mari's Red Gyarados is Calm, and that's after she halted its RAGE and had Yuyuko Hypnotise it for an easy capture, so that proves nothing.

Anyway, Human-raised pokemon definitely behave very differently from their wild counterparts.

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CaptainNapalm Totally Not a Schoolboy from a closet. Since: Mar, 2010
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#1278: Aug 15th 2010 at 9:57:41 AM

^ But it takes generations of captive breeding to pull something like that off in RL, how is it possible to pull that off without captive breeding at all with our favorite murderbeasts?

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#1279: Aug 15th 2010 at 10:02:43 AM

evolution also takes generations in RL, but we all know how that works in the pokeverse, don't we?

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#1280: Aug 15th 2010 at 10:06:30 AM

Because it's not evolution at all, but metamorphosis. It's just called evolution because Game Freak doesn't know the difference.

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CaptainNapalm Totally Not a Schoolboy from a closet. Since: Mar, 2010
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#1281: Aug 15th 2010 at 10:06:51 AM

^^ Isn't poke-"evolution" more akin to metamorphosis though?

EDIT: Ninja'd.

edited 15th Aug '10 10:07:09 AM by CaptainNapalm

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AceOfScarabs I am now a shiny stone~ from Singapore Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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#1282: Aug 15th 2010 at 10:13:37 AM

I call highly-adaptive hormone flags. Besides, it's constantly shown that pokemon are very intelligent, so they can most likely adapt to their new life much fast than normal animals.

edited 15th Aug '10 10:16:48 AM by AceOfScarabs

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Tangent128 from Virginia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#1283: Aug 15th 2010 at 11:07:55 AM

Wild dog packs and domestic dogs can have rather divergent behavior; should be enough to note that the starter species tend to be surprisingly domesticable, making them popular pets for those who don't mind dealing with the Elemental Baggage.

I think we previously established that beginning trainers traditionally get their starter from a family member/friend. So making the game starters a common pet species would still allow them to be common starters. (Though likely plenty of trainers instead catch their own starter safari-style.)

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CaptainNapalm Totally Not a Schoolboy from a closet. Since: Mar, 2010
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#1284: Aug 15th 2010 at 1:32:08 PM

^ I guess that's a decent handwave, we might want to make explicit mention that behaviors between wild and captive starters have a tendency to be wildly divergent though...

On a side note, perhaps we should have a little section where we can catalog different hiccups in our "finished" articles for their writers to go back and tweak them...

edited 15th Aug '10 1:42:25 PM by CaptainNapalm

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Chronix Better than a cross. Since: May, 2010
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#1285: Aug 15th 2010 at 8:10:47 PM

Starter Pokemon are most likely specifically chosen for there relative rarity, ballance and social tendencies.

And Pokemon, as much as we would like, are NOT animals. They show higher level brain functioning parallel to humans. A Calm Gyardos most likely WILL be calm when comapred to other members of its species. Natures effect everything from battle styles to tatses in food so its not like they're superflous.

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Tangent128 from Virginia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#1286: Aug 16th 2010 at 10:14:52 PM

Again, I think we've decided that there aren't any Pokémon species "chosen" to be starters; trainers may get their first 'mon from a variety of possible sources depending on their situation.

I've started a rewrite; when I have something to show, should I update the old entry, or post a new one and reindex?

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CaptainNapalm Totally Not a Schoolboy from a closet. Since: Mar, 2010
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#1287: Aug 16th 2010 at 10:32:32 PM

Buff the old one, just make a note of it in your siggy for us...

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#1288: Aug 16th 2010 at 10:45:49 PM

^^^ I think we previously decided professors and other League-affiliated distributors have those species on hand for their ease of training and generally mild dispositions. However, local Gyms probably do something similar with their trademark types (not everyone starts in Pallet, etc.), and a trainer can use Pokemon they or their family happened to previously own or befriend, or catch unassisted (not all wild Pokemon put up much of a fight). So the classic starters are certainly not all you'll see.

edited 16th Aug '10 10:47:00 PM by Pykrete

CaptainNapalm Totally Not a Schoolboy from a closet. Since: Mar, 2010
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#1289: Aug 16th 2010 at 11:04:04 PM

Hmm, just a thought Tangent, but perhaps for future collab articles (e.g. the long-awaited TVTropius), we should consider letting different contributors act as editmasters. Most of us (seem to) have a good chunk of time on our hands (you know, from not being site admins and not indexing stuff). But I'm sure that whatever you decide, these articles (and the ones you're presently buffing) will turn out great.

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AngryScientist Nostalgia from Russia with Love Since: Nov, 2009
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#1290: Aug 17th 2010 at 3:12:23 AM

Dibs on Zangoose!

EDIT: It's on the way, and it's big. Damn big. I love Zangoose.

edited 17th Aug '10 3:19:20 AM by AngryScientist

CrowT.Robot Trainspotter from Ga-Metru Since: Oct, 2009
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#1291: Aug 17th 2010 at 6:59:42 AM

Does anyone else think that we should start a page on this wiki about this?

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#1292: Aug 17th 2010 at 7:04:25 AM

That might be a good idea...it would certainly provide a quick way to locate this thread, at any rate.

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Neo_Crimson Your army sucks. from behind your lines. Since: Jan, 2001
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#1293: Aug 17th 2010 at 7:08:19 AM

Might as well stop fucking around and work on the Regirock article again.

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CrowT.Robot Trainspotter from Ga-Metru Since: Oct, 2009
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#1294: Aug 17th 2010 at 9:33:29 AM

I should start it, but I don't really know all the tropes that are embodied in this thread... maybe Tangent should?

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CaptainNapalm Totally Not a Schoolboy from a closet. Since: Mar, 2010
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#1295: Aug 17th 2010 at 9:37:54 AM

^ Wait, how would we even format such a page? Would we include links to the different pages, then tropes exhibited by the pages, then meta tropes?

edited 17th Aug '10 9:38:02 AM by CaptainNapalm

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CrowT.Robot Trainspotter from Ga-Metru Since: Oct, 2009
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#1296: Aug 17th 2010 at 10:46:09 AM

Uuuuh... I was thinking a trope, than a link to the relevant entry to describe it.

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AngryScientist Nostalgia from Russia with Love Since: Nov, 2009
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#1298: Aug 18th 2010 at 2:14:36 AM

I wholeheartedly agree.

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#1299: Aug 18th 2010 at 6:33:37 AM

Would anybody mind me doing Staryu/Starmie?

CaptainNapalm Totally Not a Schoolboy from a closet. Since: Mar, 2010
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#1300: Aug 18th 2010 at 9:05:33 AM

^ I don't see why not, we sure haven't stopped anyone from popping in and making a contribution before. And I don't believe anyone's called Staryu/Starmie yet...

So, should we ask Tangent if he wants us to make a page on the main wiki about this?

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