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#4751: Apr 7th 2011 at 7:53:31 PM

I still think that all pokemon share, if not a common genetic ancestor(what with creation myths and all), at least common genetics.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#4752: Apr 7th 2011 at 8:59:10 PM

Creation of the universe doesn't mean the Universe didn't change over time. ;)

Smiggins Outer Cloyster Since: Jan, 2001
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#4753: Apr 7th 2011 at 10:05:59 PM

If we hypothesize that a specialised organ, the Omni-Sac, is responsible for allowing Pokemon to learn different moves other than level up, and that Mew is capable of learning any technique from a TM or what have you, it'd make sense to say that any Pokemon with an Omni-sac has a link with Mew that way, since Mew is said somewhere to be the genetic ancestor of all Pokemon.

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#4755: Apr 8th 2011 at 12:45:10 PM

None from me.

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TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley Since: Jan, 2011
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#4756: Apr 8th 2011 at 12:48:02 PM

Nothing from me that isn't related to stylistic choices (which would be kinda pointless to pursue since I'm not in a position to change articles that aren't mine or otherwise collab). So yeah, I think that it should be fine as an addition.

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#4757: Apr 8th 2011 at 12:49:06 PM

Well, still, I'd like to know if you have any other contributions, Tracer. You've been a pretty good resource for things I need to fix, change, include, or otherwise think about.

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TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley Since: Jan, 2011
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#4758: Apr 8th 2011 at 1:14:04 PM

(looks at Jellicent article)

My ambivalence towards the Pac-Man mouths and universal Ax Craziness aside (which you've made fairly clear won't be going anywhere, so I'll ignore them), the following things stood out as things to be ironed out or otherwise explored in greater detail:

  • Your article contains unclear usage of the term "umbrate." In one section, you refer to it as a substance that composes these guys' bells, akin to how Thrombin referred to it in his Ghost-type article, in another, you use it to refer to a thick membrane.
  • How do levitating jellies get affected by Ground-type attacks? Are they an inch off the ground or something?
  • Regarding Jellicent's environment: "Saltine" refers to crackers. "Salt" or "Salty" water is what you're looking for.
  • You refer to Jellicent attempting to devour souls in your Hazards section, but make no reference to such a form of sustenance in its diet section.
  • The wording of the part where Jellicent are mentioned as navigational hazards seems iffy for some reason. Also, you leave it rather ambiguous as to how much of a hazard they represent. (Are all waters off of Unova suicidal to navigate without Electric-Types, or are Jellicent concentrated in Bermuda Triangle-esque pockets?).
  • You didn't give any inkling as to how Jellicent could be safely bred in captivity while implying that it was possible, which would probably be relevant information for would-be breeders.

That's what I found anyway, I hope that this doesn't come off as being too negative...

edited 8th Apr '11 1:14:50 PM by TracerBullet

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#4759: Apr 8th 2011 at 1:16:54 PM

It doesn't. About the souls thing though, the Frillish think they're eating the soul but they're not actually eating it. It's really just a reference to the We Are All Pokemon Trainers thread, though, so I can always cut that out. Thank you though, I'll think on it.

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#4760: Apr 8th 2011 at 1:26:57 PM

"Saline" is an appropriate adjective, as well.

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#4761: Apr 8th 2011 at 1:28:44 PM

Tangent ninja'd me.

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.
JusticeMan You complete me. from Maryland ! Since: Mar, 2011
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#4762: Apr 8th 2011 at 3:12:38 PM

You could use Saline.

And does anyone remember the chat about Soul-Eating Pokemon? I brought of neurophagia?

And Mr. Smigs, I don't think an Omni-sac article would fly for the same reason my desert civ article didn't,it's to restrictive.

I'm working on an edited desert civ article to be introduced alongside my Litwick article.

And please don't use the term "Harrapan Civilization" it's offensive.

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TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley Since: Jan, 2011
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#4763: Apr 8th 2011 at 3:21:28 PM

The thing is though, that there's already multiple articles that employ omni-sacs, or structures akin to them. If anything, we could write an article about broader omni-sacs and then allow authors to specialize omni-sacs on a per-mon basis (some mons can carry out fire and electric attacks, but not ice attacks, and so on). Besides, there wouldn't be anything compelling future articles to utilize omni-sacs, it would provide a tool with which to simplify explanation, but it doesn't directly foist itself into different articles...

On a tangent, unless if there's something that I'm not aware of, "Harappan Civilization" is a perfectly cromulent term that refers to the mature stage of this.

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JusticeMan You complete me. from Maryland ! Since: Mar, 2011
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#4764: Apr 8th 2011 at 3:30:08 PM

I know, but it offends me because it promagulates the concept that the IVC a powerful state that stretched from the Himalayas to the Arabian Sea, limited the name to something as condescending as Harrapan is like calling the USA the Greater NYC Area. The IVC is one of my favorite Nations on Earth and the fact that it constantly gets shafted in favor of Kemet and Mesopotamia royally piss me off. This wasn't some backwater Civilization; this was an economic and scientific power so I personally get offended, whenever somebody writes them off as a bunch of OCD city-planners in a desert.

[up]Then I'm confused on the difference, all I did was group together all the already done Pokemon articles together, with canon; I assumed it was vetoed because it was seen as forcing other articles; this proposed article, which does the exact same thing, would likewise be vetoed, unless I'm not understanding something here.

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TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley Since: Jan, 2011
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#4765: Apr 8th 2011 at 3:37:08 PM

^ The difference is that while your article tied in very well with existing canon and articles, it restricted the scope of unwritten articles that were directly tied to it. You can't opt out of a description of Darmatian's ties to an ancient civilization. Omnisacs on the other hand describe an organ that is present in some but not all 'mons, and don't necessarily have to be a part of future articles. For example: in an article on how a non-Fire 'mon can use fire attacks, the author is still free to devise other explanations beyond omni-sacs.

Also, I think that you're being just a little butthurt about your ancient civilization terminology. Case in point: The Roman Empire.

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JusticeMan You complete me. from Maryland ! Since: Mar, 2011
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#4766: Apr 8th 2011 at 3:51:05 PM

^ But Darmanitan ARE tied to an Ancient Civilization*

, you shouldn't opt out of that because, it's canon. It's not like I'm Godmodding in my own Fanon, everything I said is canon in the games, and thus would be added in to any article regardless of the order they were placed in. My entire flavor was just added, to make it work. Otherwise it would just be a list of Pokemon tat were bred by a "Unknown Desert Civilization" that existed smack-dab in the middle of the two most densely populated areas in the region, yet still had no information on how it ended. The Castform article shows we're allowed to take small liberties so that the article functions but under popular demand I exorcised everything in my article that wasn't either in the games, or in previous articles.

And the connotations, are differing, Rome had years of undue hype by Western Rotakus, to keep it’s popularity; the IVC was just really discovered the past Century, and the “Harrapan” term is an association, of them as a small City-State entity which is completely inaccurate and does them great injustice, and I’m all about the Justice.

edited 8th Apr '11 3:51:39 PM by JusticeMan

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c123 Since: Nov, 2010
#4767: Apr 8th 2011 at 3:52:13 PM

Oops, didn't read the note. Sorry, page cleared. I did a google search and I think nobody is doing this yet, so here goes. The basic gist is:

  • Altaria cotton is super-strong
  • They can fly really high up
  • They're somewhat in danger, and is protected.

Edit 1: Added Sinnoh/Unova region info

Edit 2: Abilities -> Notable Biology, as per Smiggins' suggestion

Swablu

Morphs [Oak Catalog #]

  • Swablu [333]
  • Altaria [334]

Physical Descriptions

Swablu are birdlike Pokémon, characterized by its round, blue-colored body and white, cottonlike wings. Other features include a short white beak and two long, antennae-like feathers protruding from its head. Its typical body size ranges between a Pokéball and a basketball. Swablu have well-developed vocal cords and their singing has a very soothing effect.

Altaria is the matured form of Swablu. It develops body parts commonly found in Dragon-type Pokémon, such as high-pressure, high-temperature lungs and very hard, strong claws. The antennae-like feathers on top of its head grew even longer. An Altaria's body is fully cloaked with the cottonlike material found on its wings. Its vocal cords become much more finely tuned, and its neck also grows longer.

Diet

Swablu and Altaria eat berries, nuts, fruits, or other plant material. Altaria living in the Sky Pillar will travel to nearby uninhabited islands and harvest fruits and berries to feed their young.

Notable Biology

Swablu's signature cotton wings are weblike structures composed of thin fibrous strands. Near the base (a thin bony arm), it is composed of living cells that stick together to create an interlocking web structure before hardening. The wings must be cleaned and dried before flying, as they become too heavy if they have too much dirt locked inside. Newborn Swablus' wings have coarse fibers that become lighter, but also tougher and harder to stain as they moult.

An Altaria's cottonlike wings are made of the same structure as a Swablu's, only much finer (to a microscopic degree). Any dirt or dust will be repelled, and liquids will just slip through, making them perpetually clean and bright white. The fibers are so tough that Silph Co. engineers have used it as a base material for things such as lightweight bulletproof clothing and Master Balls. They are so hard to artificially produce, however, that mass production would be impossible for the forseeable future. Molted cloud-wings serve as nests for eggs.

One aspect of Swablu/Altaria that has puzzled scientists is its ability to hover in the air for extended periods of time. Swablu still occasionally flap their wings, particularly when being active. An Altaria, in contrast, almost never uses its wings, preferring to curl them to the back of its body. It can hover for as long as 6 hours above ground, and its maximum flying altitude can be as high as 10,000m. A brain scan experiment revealed that these birds have latent psychic abilities that deals only with air, which they use to generate air currents to bob themselves up. When in high altitudes, it uses this power to keep its bearings while riding on top of existing air currents. Scientists speculate that the two antennae-like feathers help this ability.

Altariae are also prized for their singing voice, said to be one of the best in the world. It only sings to those it feels attached to, like its offspring or a Trainer that raises it well.

Habitat

The Swablu line originated from the Hoenn region, though they can also be sighted in other regions. They prefer quiet areas, which drove them away from human habitations. It is extremely rare to see Altaria in the wild, because they will fly high up once a human is sighted. Only when inside a closed area such as the Sky Pillar will wild ones be sighted.

Research has confirmed the existence of a high-altitude Altaria migratory path between the Sky Pillar and Routes 114-115. It seems that they were forced out by the early settlers of Fallarbor Town, and eventually settled in the largely untouched and long-abandoned Sky Pillar. While some Altaria still make the return flight, most build their nests right on top of Sky Pillar. Within a century, they will have moved completely to the Sky Pillar, and will not be found anywhere in mainland Hoenn.

Trainers from Sinnoh and Unova have reported rare sightings of Swablu and Altaria in their regions. Upon capture, genetic analysis indicates that the Sinnoh Swablu bears many similarities to Sky Pillar Swablu. This might indicate yet another migration of the population taking place from the Sky Pillar. Since Swablu are incapable of moving across regions, its presence in Sinnoh is a promising sign that the line might be able to thrive in other climates. Nevertheless, any Swablu/Altaria settlement are now closely monitored by researchers and guarded to prevent poaching.

Hazards

Both forms of the Swablu line are generally nonviolent creatures. Anyone approaching slowly and with no harsh intentions can usually see a Swablu up close. They are agitated to loud noises, and an annoyed Swablu might start attacking the source. An Altaria prefers to fly away, but if the sound is loud enough or if it is cornered, it will also start to attack. Threatening an Altaria's nest will also prompt the mother to attack.

Being a Dragon type, an enraged Altaria is a significant threat to any opponent. It is capable of strong wind-based attacks, and its draconic organs makes it capable of attacks like Dragon Breath. The most powerful ones can cloak themselves in a coat of air, then shoot at their opponent with the speed of a sniper rifle bullet. This attack, known as “Sky Attack”, can tear through aircraft hulls with ease. Because Altaria can be found in cruising altitudes and their high sensitivity to sound, airplanes are banned from flying within a 10km radius of any large Altarian habitat, both for conservation and their own safety.

Courting

Exactly how Altaria mate is still a subject of current research, although it is widely belived that courting involves two Altaria singing to each other while rising in altitude. Whether mating is done after the descent or in the air is still unknown.

Social Structure

Altaria live in flocks, though most will stay high up in the air (500-1500m) while a few keeps watch over the Swablu on the ground and flies lower.

Conservation

The Swablu evolution line is designated Protected Pokémon status, after a study by Birch et al. showing rapidly decreasing numbers of newborn Swablu in Routes 114-115. Sky Pillar is already under Restricted Entry status, which means Trainers who wish to enter must present six(6) Hoenn gym badges, demonstrating competence in the proper care of Pokémon. Poaching and black-market sale of both Swablu and Altaria are strictly banned and any violators (including, but not limited to, poacher, seller, and buyer) will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

edited 9th Apr '11 8:10:59 AM by c123

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#4768: Apr 8th 2011 at 4:08:30 PM

Only one thing; if poaching of Swablu and Altaria is forbidden, how come Trainers get to catch as many as they want?

(Also, claiming Hoppip and Cottonee lines)

edited 8th Apr '11 4:15:45 PM by memyselfandI2

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#4769: Apr 8th 2011 at 4:15:42 PM

Been a while since I've been by, but I just wanted to point out something I noticed in B&W: On route 14, you can find a lot of pokèmon that were really rare in previous versions, such as Tropius and Absol. In fact, you find Absol a lot. It's encounter rate is somewhere around 10%, quite a bit higher than in Hoenn. Could this mean that either A) Absols' numbers are recovering, B) Absols weren't pariahs in Unova like they were in other regions, or C) Absols fled from other regions to Unova? Just some food for thought. You can also find them in the Giant Chasm forest, off of route 13. Just some food for thought.

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memyselfandI2 Dunsparce Cloud from The Biosphere Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
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#4770: Apr 8th 2011 at 4:16:18 PM

[up] Maybe they're actually native to Unova?

Dunsparce didn't stop being a thing or anything.
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#4772: Apr 8th 2011 at 4:32:40 PM

Well, people may have become less superstitious in recent times, thus ending the persecution of Absol...?

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CalamityJane from None of your business Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Robosexual
#4773: Apr 8th 2011 at 4:33:12 PM

That does make sense. And the fact that it's now labelled 'Endangered' means that a lot of people are going to leave it alone 'so that [their] kids will see an Absol some day'.

edited 8th Apr '11 4:33:40 PM by CalamityJane

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TracerBullet Guess Who...? from A Dark and Rainy Alley Since: Jan, 2011
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#4774: Apr 8th 2011 at 4:33:25 PM

@ c 123: What about Swablu/Altaria populations outside of Hoenn? Also, could you elaborate on what sort of legal channels would need to be entered to capture wild Swablu/Altaria without running up against the law? Your present article is kinda vague on that...

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#4775: Apr 8th 2011 at 7:34:22 PM

memyselfand I 2: I guess this hasn't really happened by the time RBE rolls around (how many people actually went to Sky Pillar, you think?) So Birch presented the study based on the data you and May/Brendan gathered.

Tracer Bullet: I don't want to get too bogged down in the details, but basically there can be rangers patrolling the routes and entrances to the pillar asking to see their badges. If some guy starts capturing them en masse, they'll drop in and start asking questions.

Sadly I don't have access to Gen IV/V games so I can't comment on the other regions.

edited 8th Apr '11 7:34:53 PM by c123


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