Kingdom Hearts

Xehanort is just some dude. Darkness is a literal personification of darkness that has been possessing humans since Mo M was a kid.

How many times has Ven, and by extension Roxas, been inflicted with memory loss/manipulation at this point? He's like an Etch A Sketch.

Twice for both Ven (Age of Fairytales & Xehanort's mentorship) and Roxas (Xion & KH2 prologue) thus far.

@Lycropath

I assume you believe that Darkness only controlled Ven from outside? In that case, I'll bring up Terra and Aurora.

During Braig's and Xehanort's conversation after the former got his eye destroyed by Terra, the latter revealed that even though Terra was briefly hijacked by Maleficent, he wasn't actually the one who stole Aurora's heart, because he still had a powerful light within him, and as such lacked the ability to steal hearts, while smirking in a way that suggested he's the one who did it.

My point is, if Terra (who had enough darkness in him for Xehanort to capitalise on in his successful attempt to steal his body) couldn't harm someone even when someone took control of his body, why would Ven (who Xehanort had to give up on trying to turn into his vessel, because of his refusal and/or inability to harness the power of darkness) end up killing someone, even if Darkness did indeed take control of his body?

@Deadpoolrocks

One: We don't actually know if the character Darkness is the same entity/phenomenon as the 'darkness' the Master of Masters spoke of. For now, I believe the Master of Masters was just talking about darkness in general.

Two: Regardless of the difference in power level between Xehanort and Darkness, the latter still couldn't influence Ven during his time as Xehanort's apprentice four years before BbS. I doubt Darkness would have let Ven and by extension themself get mauled to half death by a horde of Neoshadows if they could have helped it. Xehanort also described Ven as 'too benign for his own good', so I don't imagine Darkness had any control over him in general. Seeing as that's the case, I don't think they could have been able to manipulate Ven's mind or body into murdering someone.

Also, if Darkness did take over Ven (internally or otherwise), why would his Chirithy still be a Spirit and not a Nightmare?

Edited by sleeping-in-bloom on Apr 2nd 2020 at 4:50:45 PM

An interesting tidbit: Nomura revealed that the name of the Limit Cut episode was chosen to signify that these are how the fights are supposed to be in lore, but the gimped versions in the Keyblade Graveyard are as they are for balance/playability reasons (so, they got their limits cut off). So canonically, fights like 3X were actually like fighting Data Ansem, Xemnas and Young Xehanort at once.

So Saix canonically had to go up against what we saw in the Data Xion fight.

Explains quite a bit about how quickly she and Roxas commit the KH equivalent of warcrimes upon him.

x3 I think Darkness did something to him, what I'm not sure but he was around for the murder and then made to not remember it he could be anything from a witness, the gun or the murder himself.

That also means Kairi threw hands with that too.

So, you're saying Mickey could've soloed the Nort Court?

And then there's Marluxia's Doom counter.

Ah.

(I still think Darkness couldn't have controlled Ven and forced him to commit murder, not when Xehanort gave up on making him his new vessel and it turned out Terra wasn't capable of extracting Aurora's heart despite being temporarily hijacked.)

The mechanics of possession vary from scene to scene so I'm not sure that any of the current "rules" would even apply to Darkness. I mean look at Luxu in the Braig meat, by his own words not his original vessel but he's still Luxu through multiple cases of losing his heart and recompleting and such, he's clearly not following Xehanort rules.

Edited by lycropath on Apr 2nd 2020 at 6:41:45 AM

Xehanort possession is pretty indecisive itself. Makes the Soranort plan just a disaster waiting to happen really.

Maybe it's how much of his heart he puts into it. Heh.

I mean by the end ASOD was actively not telling anyone about the traitors, meaning even the other pure norts were starting to show dissent with Xehanort.

The danger of young vessels is that they never listen to old people obviously.

Hell if Vanitas is Darkness that means he went along with Xehanorts plan solely to ensure his future plans involving Maleficent and escaping the destiny forseen by Mo M.

Full translation has been released.

@Lycropath

Didn't Luxu just steal bodies the same way Xehanort did? He just kept doing it over and over again throughout the centuries or even millennia between the Age of Fairytales and the present era.

Unless you're talking about how Terranort (as Ansem the Wise's apprentice) seemed like a totally different person from either Terra or Xehanort? That's just because he stabbed himself with his Keyblade and locked his own memories away after fighting Aqua. And according to 3D, he did eventually regain those memories.

@Alekos23

Speaking of Soranort, I'd like to bring up that, even though his relative inexperience with darkness made him susceptible to being norted, Xehanort still needed to progressively break down his heart before he could even try and put a fragment of his heart in him.

So even if Darkness had the ability to take control of Ven, I don't think they could have done that on the spot in the warehouse. They would have needed time to wear down his defences.

@OmegaRadiance

Judging from both the KHBbS and KH3 novels and Vanitas' sudden insistence on and rationale for calling Ven his 'brother' in KH3, I doubt he remembered being Darkness until he was reconstructed in Monstropolis, so I don't think he would have gone along with Xehanort's plans because of his goals as Darkness the four years before and during BbS.

Also, I don't think Darkness/Vanitas could have known that Xehanort would decide to extract him from Ven's heart if Ven failed to satisfy Xehanort's expectations. For all he knew, Xehanort could have chosen to kill Ven instead for being a failure.

Edited by sleeping-in-bloom on Apr 4th 2020 at 5:19:34 PM

Am I the only one who wants to see Joshua Seth voice acting in a future Kingdom Hearts game?

who?

I don’t think he does voice acting anymore.

He came back just for Digimon Tri only.

I also would like to know:

who?

He is pretty much retired save for coming back to be Tai in Tri

Exactly who would you want him to voice?

Voice actor of Tai Kamiya from Digimon Adventure.

Probably some other spiky haired kid like Sora.

Some real sad news, Keiji Fujiwara, the japanese VA for Axel passed away due to cancer.

Rest in Peace. Was Also a fun character, Kagura Mutsuki in Blaz Blue.