Kingdom Hearts

Sora does come off as a Gary Stu but I wonder if that is more due to perception rather than the reality of the character?

Maybe in gameplay, but outside that? He's probably the furthest thing from it.

they burn him way too much in 3 for that

though you could argue most of them getting their asses kicked unlike him might be a tiny bit Stu-ish. Or karma. I prefer Karma.

It's definitely Karma.

I must say, KH 3's hesitation to let you fight any of the 13 before the endgame was weird. KH 2 had no problem with that and it didn't really reduce their threat much?

Y'know that game can have Heartless in it if they wish. Since Disney owns all the OG content.

I guess you might be right but it seems like most of the plot points in the series seem to tie to Sora or people related to him. Sora isn't a Gary Stu but he is an important character within the series if only because he wants to help his friends and he subverts many plans of various villains.

Edit: He isn't the Chosen One but he does help shape the destiny of the universe

Edited by GAP on Apr 1st 2020 at 9:08:48 AM

kari is a mary sue u guise

Sheeet◊

On what metric outside of being female

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The Culprit always returns to the scene of the Crime!!◊

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Apr 1st 2020 at 9:09:49 AM

donald duck

goofy

At least there's still only one Vanitas.

sora!

That's called "being the protagonist", GAP. Also, having a "main cast". They tend to be important to the story and have plot points and connections around them because they're what the story is about.

What plot points are actually centered around him that he didn't shove his dick in beforehand? Ventus, maybe, but that's a gun that didn't go off (or we were even aware was there) until in the latter half of the Kingdom Hearts series.

OK i believe in you

@FrozenWolf

While calling out for someone with an expression of worry and/or fear on their face? (Also, pretty sure this is going to be a flashback.)

I tought if Nomura didin't comes with Ventus being very old Just because he desides first that Xigbar is,and all the plot is developed having that scene from Days as ground zero.

If Sora is a gary stu the term is even more meaningless than it already was.

Negative meaning. This is the Darkness beyond Darkness.

New KH Ux update is out. Big spoilers.

Lauriam clashes with Maleficent. The fight is mostly offscreen but ends with Lauriam defeated and the room wrecked. Maleficent & Darknesses' are nowhere to be seen.

Summary translation from Twitter: Ven's account of him being chosen by Ava was actually a memory fabricated by "Darkness" to censor the truth,what actually happened was that Darkness took over his body the moment Strelitzia entered Gula's warehouse and killed her to take her rulebook.

https://twitter.com/GENSOUFGO/status/1245586178406887425

ok so like some of us thought.

Called it.

Congratulations Maleficent! You got to beat up a child without being humiliated.

No, the summary is wrong.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15GHy4uzo8JKdoKt8JrUR-Y9ewP3wtgJ6EVg7UsvE9VA/edit#gid=1765143837

According to this translation, all that we know now is that:

1. Ven was called to the dark, empty warehouse by Ava (or Darkness pretending to be Ava).

2. Ven doesn't remember what happened between when someone (who he seemed to believe was Ava, but was Strelitzia in actuality) entered the warehouse and when he and Ava/'Ava' exited the warehouse after she/'she' gave him the guidebook.

The events that occurred in that time frame is still a complete mystery. For all we know, Ava/Darkness could have killed Strelitzia right in front of Ven, and he either repressed that particular memory from the trauma, or Ava/Darkness wiped that memory so he won't know anything's amiss, or his Chirithy sealed that memory away to protect Ven from the trauma.

Also, he only went to the warehouse in the first place because he was told to by Ava/'Ava'. At that point in time, his memories should not have been altered yet (if there was any alteration aside from simply memory repression due to trauma), so he did genuinely interact with Ava/'Ava' before going to the warehouse. In that case, if it was indeed Darkness pretending to be Ava, then that means Darkness has a physical presence and doesn't need to take control of anyone to murder Strelitzia. There would also have been no need for Ven's memories of his conversation with Ava/'Ava' after leaving the warehouse to be fabricated, since Darkness could have spoken with him the same way they did when they called Ven out to the warehouse.

You also have to consider both Vanitas' dialogue in Re:Mind and the sequence of events happening in the latest KHUX updates. Vanitas reveals in Re:Mind that he was merely 'hidden away' in Ven for a 'very long time' before Xehanort ripped him out. So if he did indeed possess Ven at that moment, then he would not have been able to interact with Maleficent and guide her to the Ark in the previous main story update. (He wouldn't exactly be 'hidden away' if he could just enter and leave Ven's body at will, after all.)

And one more thing. The reason Xehanort removed Vanitas from Ven in the first place was because he was 'too benign for his own good', so he couldn't and/or didn't want to harness the power of darkness, even for self-defence. This meant he could not make use of the darkness in Ven's heart to mold him into his new vessel (like he later successfully did with Terra), so he had to settle for Plan B and split Ven in two instead. If Xehanort couldn't possess and hijack Ven because of that, then why would Darkness be able to do so?

Edited by sleeping-in-bloom on Apr 2nd 2020 at 9:40:09 PM

I'm not sure Darkness was inside Ventus when he did the deed (They conclude Ava's not the culprit because she would have just given Ven the journal and left Stelritzia unharmed if it was up to her) but Ventus is definitely a part of what happened if only just the Unwitting Pawn and vessel. One has to wonder what exactly is the relationship between Ventus and Darkness.

Edited by lycropath on Apr 2nd 2020 at 12:40:06 PM