Unofficial Official Mega Man Thread

Well the tones are very different

Mega Man 3 just casually has Mega Man teleport to other planets to fight robot masters on mining bases that were constructed on other worlds

In the X series technology so devolved after Light and Wily’s deaths or “deaths” that putting something in orbit is an accomplishment and a space elevator has to be built just to get to the Moon

The complete disappearance of the Classic cast without any word or evidence that they existed besides Light and Wily

There’s continuity nods like the goo devil who takes the form of a Wily Machine but that’s all. Nods.

Even the big X vs Zero fight has nothing to do with their respective parentages. They either fight because Zero went maverick or because he’s making the same mistake Repliforce did and being so stubborn it gets the shit beaten out of him

Aside from the idea that Light good Wily bad the classic series doesn’t really matter to the X series

Remember Zero wasn’t even originally going to be related to Wily. He was X’s cool friend who died for him and was an unused X design. The link back to Classic was not intended at the start

Knowing the full context of the Classic series and expecting the X series to play into that context just raises questions and expectations the X series has never intended to address

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 24th 2020 at 11:18:15 AM

Also, to me it feels like X being a special robot because he can make his own decisions based on his own moral code is an Informed Attribute when those kinds of robots already exist in Classic.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Feb 24th 2020 at 12:20:12 PM

Also that yes

It’s unclear what the difference between someone like Mega Man, Bass, and Proto Man and someone like X or the gaggle of themed animals is

GameXplain's review for the Zero/ZX Collection.

• Minimal input lag

• The DS screens are well-done, but cannot be done with Switch touchscreen

• Great original music

• The Zero games use the remastered versions of the soundtrack.

• Uncompressed anime cutscenes and voice acting.

• Z-Chaser only features 2 stages per game

• Load time between games is noticeable.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Feb 24th 2020 at 8:30:39 AM

Oh yeah, Mega Man 3 took place in space, i keep forgetting that detail. It's weird.

But no, the documents for X1 stated Zero was planned from the start to be Dr. Wily's robot.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 24th 2020 at 8:23:57 AM

Can't watch that video since I'm st work, but remastered as in not GBA-compressed, or remastered as in the Remastered/Idea/Telos/Physis album releases?

"The soundtrack for all 4 Mega Man Zero games utilize the slightly remastered version introduced in the 2010 Mega Man Zero Collection for Nintendo DS."

So I assume that it is the uncompressed version. I don't notice a lot of difference between GBA and DS music, though maybe that's because I mostly play the DS version.

is this one of those “Darth Vader was always Luke’s father” things or from documents from the development of the first X game before it released and they went “shit he’s popular and we killed him”?

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 24th 2020 at 11:40:47 AM

Does ZX have japanese voice acting?

"Megan Man" Zero/ZX comes out tomorrow XD

Thanks, that's what I thought.

If you play the Japanese version, yes. If you want JP dub with ENG sub, sorry.

Edited by RAlexa21th on Feb 24th 2020 at 8:43:03 AM

@ Bocaj.

https://www.rockman-corner.com/2018/02/mega-man-x1-internal-design-document.html

Here you go, this confirms Dr. Wily was always intended to be Zero's creator.

And recall, Inafune always planned for Zero to steal all the cool scenes, so he knew he would be popular, even when blowing him up at the end of x1.

Interestingly, Dr. Wily has a dotted line next to Protoman, i know that in the japanese version, Dr. Wily and Dr. Light aren't former partners, but it's interesting that Wily has a connection to the creation of Protoman, and that even the manga portrayed Wily and Light as former partners, maybe some American canon seeped back to the Japanese canon.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 24th 2020 at 8:51:27 AM

Oh, ok. Good looking ahead slash spitefully undermining your backup design, Inafune

I stand by the other points.

it’s funny that 11 made it seem even less likely that Light and Wily ever partnered up before 3 (and in that case what were you thinking, Light?)

Although the dotted line might be because Proto Man was working with Wily briefly

Actually interestingly if X comes directly from classic, the last mega man game that could have influenced it was 5 where Proto Man was seemingly the villain if you didn’t have pattern recognition but really Wily built a robot to impersonate Proto Man

Which implies he could have had his designs to use to design Zero and would have been working on that instead of the robot tournament scheme

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 24th 2020 at 11:54:37 AM

It kinda makes you wonder what things would have been like if Zero had actually been X like was originally planned.

I’m not sure if Zero!X would have had a cool friend to steal the best scenes so the story would have been completely different maybe? Gameplay about the same but all those iconic moments probably changed

Not as good as Re: Future, and I prefer the trailer theme's instrument, but still pretty good and fitting for the Zero series. The surprise violin is appreciated.

I'm not really sure if Inafune submitted Zero but was rejected by his bosses, or he himself chose to replace Zero's design with X's.

I believe I heard it was the latter: he wanted the Zero design to be X, but higher ups said it was too different so he came up with the X design we all know and love.

Personally, one possible headcanon is that most robots in Classic are much less advanced in personality than Rock and Protoman, and their degree of sophistication is perhaps some form of accident. The ability to create "true" persons was something very few scientists understood until they got to reverse-engineer X.

An alternative headcanon I have is that the X series takes place after some form of dark age like a nuclear war. During this dark age, they lost the ability to create any form of sophisticated AI and re-learned it by examining X.

I will note that one difference between Rock and X is that Rock is Three Laws-Compliant whereas X is not. However, that does have a bit of Fridge Logic, as making a three-laws compliant robot is theoretically harder than making one that wasn't.

Though I could see an argument like X being so sophisticated he doesn't need any specific 3 Laws-esque code and can just follow a regular ethical system just like you or I. However, this doesn't quite work as Rock is hardly amoral.

I will say an alternative way of looking at it is to actually look at the difference between a Robot Master and a Maverick. With Robot Masters, they fall into the category of "robots don't kill people, people kill people". Metal Man is simply a murder weapon Wily uses to kill people. This is what I call a "Nuremberg AI"-an AI that's hostile for the simple reason that its creator/master is evil.

However, Sigma is on the opposite end of the spectrum. He's not programmed to be evil, he's not misinterpreting his instructions. He is sophisticated enough to fully understand the moral implications of what he's doing.

If a classic-era robot kills you, it's either an industrial accident or the robot was used as a murder weapon. If a reploid kills you, the reploid might very well be a murderer.

Ugh, I want the remix of Zero's theme and Cannonball so bad. Capcom's been tight-lipped about it.

With all this talk about programming and the feasibility of reploids, one wonder how expensive building all of them are.

One wonders if the opposition to the Repliforce independence was how much investment the human government had put into building the military and vehicles. Bet Storm Owl's fleet wasn't cheap. Or Final Weapon. Who even approved of that thing anyway?

[Maga Man comes from that school of Science Fiction where governments have infinite amounts of money and manpower.

Edited by HailMuffins on Feb 24th 2020 at 3:08:14 PM

Nothing about Repliforce makes sense

They also had a fleet of submarines

And if someone didn’t sign off on them building a giant orbiting death ray then they've been embezzling long before they were “falsely accused”

I think if I rewrote X 4 id have it be that Repliforce was already an independent reploid nation maybe founded on what remained of Dopplertown with whatever meager clout the people not involved in the uprising had

And Sigma false flags them to stir up shit with the hunters, showing how far he has fallen from whatever actual point he once had

Edited by Bocaj on Feb 24th 2020 at 1:18:21 PM

They could even last past the incident depicted in the game.