Devil May Cry

I think I skipped the tutorial that introduced it as a mechanic. Which is weird because I seemingly didn't skip any other tutorial.

Edited by GNinja on Apr 22nd 2020 at 10:42:04 AM

You get that tutorial at the beginning of mission 8. Or wait, are you talking about the first time you played it?

I guess you could call it an unintentional challenge run?

Edited by SapphireBlue on Apr 22nd 2020 at 3:45:30 AM

I just beat the game for the first time. So, yeah, I somehow missed that.

Alright. Wasn’t entirely clear whether you’d gotten partway through sometime in the past.

What if Nero and V were brothers.

Vergil would definitely ask what form of power is this when he realizes that he somehow managed to be his human half's own father.

I think V being Nero's long-lost fraternal twin would've been more interesting than him just being a vehicle for bringing Vergil back. But they still could've included Vergil if they had to. In his pre-split daze, Vergil hears of a powerful person (a part-devil raise and trained by a witch?) that might be of some help. They meet, realize their relation, and V naturally wants to help his newly-discovered father. They track down Nero and take Yamato, and the whole scene goes down, with Vergil's human essence just banished and sealed away somehow instead of becoming a separate being. V then goes to Dante, desperate to stop the monster he unintentionally unleashed on the world in an attempt to save his father.

Or, for extra drama: They don't attack Nero. We saw in the cutscene how accommodating he was to what he perceived as a stranger in need. If they just approached him and explained who they were, the familial connection the three of them shared, and told him some version of 'Vergil's dying, the Yamato can heal him' he would probably give it to them. Now instead of being motivated solely by revenge, it's guilt. Although he would feel terribly betrayed by every member of his bio-family: his father that turned himself into an actual monster, his brother that helped Vergil dupe Nero into going along with it (though V would feel incredibly guilty and remorseful because he absolutely did not know that was going to happen), and his uncle that knew of Nero's heritage all along and not only never told him, but had no intention of ever telling him.

Plus background Dante being mindfucked because while he knew about Nero, he had no idea V existed. And then being pissed when he realizes that even though V and Nero just found each other, Vergil's stunt might have condemned them to the same destructive non-relationship that Dante and Vergil have.

Game ends with Vergil regaining his humanity and being restored to himself. Then it could go three ways. 1) Vergil goes back to hell and Dante goes with him, it sets up DMC 6 to be V and Nero running the shop. 2) Vergil and Dante stay in the human world and the four of them try to learn how to be a family. or 3) Dante and Vergil stay, but rather than all coming together Nero leaves, because he still feels betrayed, and doesn't trust any of them or want anything to do with them or the "family business". Sets up DMC 6 to be a Nero solo game, with themes of identity. Nero figuring out who he is, who he wants to be, and ultimately deciding whether to accept his family, or reject them for good.

V is much more interesting then Vergil is so I'd like have liked if he got to stick around

Edited by lycropath on Apr 28th 2020 at 8:14:29 AM

The whole Urizen/V thing reminds me of Kadaaj/Loz/Yazoo from FF 7 Advent Children. Ultimately, the story is waiting for Vergil/Sephiroth to come back. That's what the whole story is building to, and that's what it really cares about. So it's harder to get into these new characters as individuals.

After playing DMC 3 and 5, I kinda think Vergil is a bit... overrated? It's hard, because he's clearly the antagonist with the most effort put into him. His motive is good, his boss fights are great, and he fills the rival role really well. I still wish Capcom could put effort into other things as well though. At the moment he feels like a character who people like because he's fleshed out, so Capcom puts more focus on him, which fleshes him out even more, which causes people to like him more, which causes capcom to focus on him more. It's like a feedback loop where he gets more focus because he gets more focus. And I'm here wondering: If they can write Vergil well, why they can't write other villains just as well?

Overrated isn't the right word. I've just found I don't personally like him as much as the fanbase seems to.

Edited by GNinja on Apr 29th 2020 at 4:49:39 PM

Appropriately, Vergil and Sephiroth were opponents in DEATH BATTLE! a year before DMC 5 came out.

Edited by windleopard on Apr 29th 2020 at 6:26:41 AM

I understand what you mean and agree to some extent. The dude is awesome and all but he's kind of a story hog and Capcom's boner for him sort of feels like it prevents some other characters from feeling more like their own or getting more screentime. I just really hate the whole V-connection-to-Vergil thing, especially since it was so obvious. And it straight up ruined Urizen for me.

We disagree I guess, I love the connection Urizen and V have towards Vergil.

So Steam's golden week sale has discounts for both DMC 5 and 4, but not the HD Collection which is bogus :v I already beat DMC 3 a long time ago but beating DMC 1 is still on my to-do list.

Still bought them both.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Apr 30th 2020 at 5:52:42 AM

Welp, caved and bought DMC V at the last second while it was still on sale. I had to choose between this and Doom Eternal — I didn't really want to get two games at once. Especially since I'm still playing several other games.

On one hand, SSSTYLISH demon slaying. On the other hand, RIPPING AND TEARING demons.

There's no wrong decision to make in that situation. They are both absolutely fantastic games.

Though I feel like V was easier than Eternal.

The tipping point was me remembering that I'm not actually any good at FPS games.

Oh man you would have died a lot like me.

And I'm not even that bad as FPS'.

Yeah Doom Eternal came with a significant Sequel Difficulty Spike. It has plenty of cushions for players (Including multiple difficulty settings and a separate "Sentinel Armor" powerup if you're not doing well) but the raw moment-to-moment gameplay really expects you to know the game's combat flow in and out.

... Think Urizen could take on the Icon of Sin?

Nah, Titans are unkillable unless you have a Crucible.

I don't think it has to be a crucible specifically. I'm sure one of the many Devil Arms could be a substitute cranial addition.

Btw, if you watch a few high-skill videos of Eternal, you'll realize that it is basically a first-person gun focused DMC game.

The entire Doom reboot series has essentially been FPS character action, even more so than Bulletstorm. It's great.

I think it's a matter of Takes One to Kill One — the Titans are giants fueled by Wraith Energy and can only be neutralized with a weapon composed of the same energy. Presumably, the Crucible's Wraith Energy blade disrupts the energy flow in the Titan, rendering it inert.

It should be noted that even the Crucible doesn't kill the Titan permanently. If the blade is removed, it'll wake up good as new.