Devil May Cry

That reminds me of one of Woolie's criticism of Dm C Dante. That he seemed generally unintelligent.

it's almost shakespearean

Well he never could come up with a clever burn.

He acted like a 13 year old during the succubus fight.

His response to Phineas pointing out how killing Mundus would create a power vacuum was to stare blankly at him as the screen fades to black. God that was embarrassing.

I dunno for the english dub, but he make a pair of legit neat ones in french. I especially remembers the one where the succubus is falling in her lake of vomit and he's looking at her smugly telling her "Tu te fais trop de bile". (you're worrying too much, literally, the saying just so happens to have bile in it.)

After checking quickly it seems this one was made by the french localization, since it's absent from the original. heh. for once a french translation don't suck, neat.

Edited by Yumil on Jan 3rd 2019 at 9:52:49 PM

Honestly, most of the demons in the DMC games struck me as being very easy to piss off with insults. I don't think you'd need to be a master quipper to get under their skin.

...Stuff like this makes me wonder if I should even watch a playthrough of DmC, like I did with DMC 4. Everything I hear about how the game presents itself just makes it sound unappealing to me, and I'm mostly just curious for curiosity's sake.

Incidentally, I do own the game myself, and have heard that the gameplay is good, but I only have it because it was part of a bundle that included the ultimate edition of DMC 4 and some other games I was interested in. I don't think I ever felt like DmC was a game worth my time.

I mean, the gameplay being super fun is literally the one thing that saves and redeem the game if you happen to like it a quater of how much I love it so watching someone else play it just sounds like the worst way to experience the game.

The weapons aren’t very cool.

The obligatory combat bracers are basically just metal molted together to look like that time Hulk used police cars as combat bracers in The Incredible Hulk.

You say one more bad word about eryx I'll make you step on a lego. Barefoot.

If you already own the game don't expect many people here to convince you to play it. It's self-defeating to ask aloud if the game is worth your time because you've already seemingly made the conscious choice that it isn't.

Though considering you own a copy I'm shocked you won't even attempt playing it.

And you're barking up the wrong tree if you're expecting the people in this thread to convince you that it's worth pl...

Well I'll be darned.

Edited by Soble on Jan 3rd 2019 at 1:20:58 AM

The game is good. The story and characters aren't. If you want an in depth let's play, I reccomend Super Best Friends

Wasn't asking anyone to convince me of anything (if I was looking for that kind of discussion, I would have asked directly). I was mostly just making a comment that was a little more than "that imagery squicks me out".

I don't actively hate DmC or anything (seeing as I haven't played it, though I do think that the kind of humor I've seen from it is to its detriment), and even if I ultimately choose not to play the game that I only happen to own, I'm still interested enough to at least watch an LP or something of it. In general, that is usually what gets me into buying/playing a game myself.

If I didn't think the game wasn't worth my time at all, I wouldn't even have commented.

For what it's worth, it's not quite as squicky as it sounds since the "vomit" is just typical video game sludge.

But yeah, another issue I always had with Dm C Dante is that like, a good 80% of his dialogue is smug Parrot Exposition where he just repeats what he's just heard in simpler terms. The infamous Succubus cutscene is kinda a skewed sample of the game's cinematics; surprisingly little happens in the majority of them beyond characters explaining the plot to Dante (a lot of it details the game contradicts or go absolutely nowhere).

Also His durability, Like in the original series he was impaled more times than vlad's blow-up dolls without flinching. but here he cuts a small hole in his chest , pokes it, and screams, very durable for a human but for a half angel-half demon hybrid I'm expecting a bit more. Dm C is like metroid other M or crash of the titans/mind over mutant, In terms of story the characters are bad and it twists around the original message of the series, like "humans can be awful sometimes, but even demons may cry" or "Women can be just as badass as mario or link". but as far as gameplay goes, everybody's too busy complaining about the story to appreciate the real meat and potatoes of a game, the gameplay. Dm C is certainly better than devil may cry 2 good lord, And the platforming segments were actually a nice change of pace. The Vindicated by history trope has certainly applied to some of the reboots of the last generation, well besides bomberman and bionic commando but still.

Other M didn't have good gameplay either and while Dm C was overall good, people still plenty of very valid complaints about the gameplay and that's on top of its incredibly bad PR.

true, like the fact that dante's guns do more damage than his swords, it's not perfect, also add sly cooper 4 to games with shit story but good gameplay but the shit storyline gets more attention than the good gameplay. I'm just saying most of the reviews of these games bitch and moan about the stories but never lets the gameplay get the attention it deserves. and hey if you genuinely don't like the gameplay more power to you. This is just how I feel.

In fairness, he was a child when that happened. Maybe his durability was just lower then.

I think the general consensus is that the game is servicable and would have made a modest success - if it had any other name than Devil May Cry. As it stands now, it's a monument of shame from which Ninja Theory pissed all over the fans coming to pay their respects, sprinkled with various game journalism editorials that went rabid at people for daring to have issues with the game.

Edited by FergardStratoavis on Jan 4th 2019 at 2:53:44 PM

If there's any argument I hate, Is that "[X] game from [Z] would've been successful if it had a [Y] coat of paint" any instalment deserves to be a part of the franchise, there is no problem with a different company giving a different interpretation of a beloved franchise or experimenting with a pre-existing formula or making a spin-off to tide fans over. Dm C deserves to be a part of devil may cry just as much as devil may cry 1,2,3,4 or 5. It's a decent attempt to re-imagine the devil may cry universe with a different flair, but a good one? no! Dm C was not a bad idea, look at tomb raider and how the series has gotten better between the eidos, crystal dynamics and square enix eras of the franchise, all give a different look at the tomb raider universe and all of them are fantastic. The problem with Dm C is that it makes the main protagonist unlikeable, but it did have some good ideas like introducing angels into the series. to put it simply, it wasn't executed well. Dm C deserves to bear the devil may cry name, and (gameplay-wise) is just as good as 1,3, and 4.

I suppose it's a debate then. Starting with this:

I'll let myself use an example dear to my heart: Heroes of Might and Magic IV. The third installment is largely hailed as the best in the seven games long-series and is being actively worked on by modders even today. Back when it came out, it became the golden standard to which subsequent installments would be held up too. IV tried to introduce new elements, but added too much novelty and resulted in the game's resounding failure. It's not a bad game, I wouldn't say, but back then it was enough to send 3DO packing.

Dm C is a plot-based example: while the gameplay is largely the same frame, the characters are so wildly different from their original iterations that it creates a disconnect with already irked fanbase of old. While newcomers may find nothing strange with that, that is a sizeable portion of potential buyers being alienated by Ninja Theory and game journalism. There were certain expectations to be met, and they weren't.

No matter how you slice it, it is a game bearing the same name as the four games before it. Whether it deserves to be held on the same level of esteem (2 aside) is a subjective matter. It doesn't help that it was made with an obvious sequel in mind, and then didn't perform nowhere near well enough to consider Dm C 2.

I already gave my thoughts on the gameplay previously. The coloured enemies (Specifically the Blood and Ghost Rages) and the boss design alone drag it below 1,3 and 4. The enemy design is also a huge step down from the previous games as well. Is it better than DMC 2? Yes. It's better than the entry so bad, it's considered a flat out mediocre to bad game. That's not saying much.

Also everyone knows Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne is the real DMC 2.

Edited by Emperordaein on Jan 4th 2019 at 10:29:24 PM

i'm not saying it was well-exucuted mind you, it's a cute little expirement that's fun it's own right. Introducing angels could've been interesting. How they exucuted it was awful.

They could always introduce a half-breed spawn of a legendary angel champion if they ever want to bring in angels.

Though hopefully they come up with an interesting enough gimmick for them.

According to the DMC wiki, angels already exist in the main universe.

Hell, some of the demons the Order employed more resemble angles than demons and Credo even calls himself an angel when he transforms. Even Lucia looks more angel than demon.