Fallout: New Vegas

Didn't that get a C&D?

Honestly I don't want NV in the 4 engine because that would mean New Vegas with no skills and infinite levels.

There actually is a group of modders working on a Fallout New Vegas remake in Fallout 4's engine. It will have skill points instead of the perk system of Fallout 4.

I still really dislike F4 and what it did to Fallout. It's a good game, but a terrible Fallout game.

I'm sure if Bethesda was doing it they could bring back the classic system. And they'd need to... A change that big would ruin it. New Vegas just wasn't designed around it.

Of course, there'd also be the power armor issue. Though I guess it wouldn't be that hard to just make it really tough armor again.

Aside from the energy limit (which I still think makes no sense) and the destructible pieces, power armor in Fallout 4 is actually somewhat closer to how it was implemented in the first two games as it negated most damage, made you nearly impervious to radiation and greatly boosted your strength.

The catch was that in the first game it was extremely difficult to get till the later game and in the second the older model was easier to find but the Enclave had access to even better armor and weapons that could do more damage to it.

I still can't get something, and it's been bugging me for a while. Maybe someone explains.

Since Lonesom road's antagonist is basically Avellone's avatar in the game, whatever he says is the same thing Avellone thinks.

So, does Avellone really approve nuking peaceful settlements out of spite and joining factions that practice widespread slavery, terrorism and gang rapes?

And since the antagonist (Avellone) heavily critisizes NCR (liberal democracy), why does he still lives in liberal democracy if he hates it so much? He can leave, nobody holds him there.

Having extensively studied Avellon's writing style for articles I wrote for Grimdark Magazine (https://www.grimdarkmagazine.com/), what you should take in mind is what Avellone thinks makes a great STORY is different from what Avellone thinks makes a RL morality system.

To really shorten it up, Chris Avellone thinks that Fallout Earth should never recover as a setting. That it should be for the rest of the game line be a post-apocalypse Wasteland. There is no Star Trek universe waiting at the end of it, it's going to be forever Road Warrior-verse. That's the way he thinks the IP should be for the rest of time and NCR as well as other big nation states threaten that. If they did Fallout 10,000 AD it would still be a Bronze Age city-state culture.

Avellone is also of the mind that Caesar's Legion is a joke the same way that the other factions are jokes but he is very fond of "No True Good Guy" in storytelling and you'd have, in his ideal game, no actual Good Guy just a choice of evils.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 25th 2020 at 11:55:53 AM

No true good guy, right. But I hope he realizes that there are three gray choices and one (Legion) black.

If so, why would he make a former Legion lapdog his avatar, not a former NCR ranger, or, I dunno, just a neutral courier? Why make a former member of one of the most evil factions in Fallout his avatar?

Because Ulysses was a cut companion for the Legion and he was told to make a backstory for him. The Ulysses that arrived in Lonesome Road is pretty far from the Ulysses meant to be in the main game.

But he's fond of Villain Protagonist characters as his previous favorite character was Kreia and also the Nameless One.

He'd also argue the Legion is no different from the Sith.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Mar 25th 2020 at 12:02:19 PM

Avellone as I recall does regret making Kotor 2 as critical as it was.

You can roleplay as a character who isn't you. In the same way, you can write a character who shares some of your views but not all of them, a villain who voices thoughts you've had but takes them to extremes. It's possible to write a villain who has a point and who you might even agree with to a substantial degree, but who is still ultimately in the wrong. By virtue of how they act on those thoughts and ideas, if nothing else.

KOTOR 2 suffers a lot from not having a finished ending. At the very least you were meant to be able to refute Kreia to a much greater degree — to the point where she doesn't become the final boss, and thus presumably doesn't murder the surviving Council members. The main thing about Kreia even without the rewrites is that she *wants* to be proven wrong.

Edited by Unsung on Mar 25th 2020 at 12:12:46 PM

Yeah there is a difference between finding a character compelling and interesting and actually agreeing with what they say and do.

Like the writers made Caesar’s legion a society with ups and many downs. That they say it has some pros does not equal endorsement.they are trying to make the Legion realistic. Like why would people follow them or support them.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 25th 2020 at 12:11:00 PM

So, Avellone doesn't really support gang rapes and nuking communities, right?

Obviously.

Why else is Ron Perlman so passive aggressive in his reading of a legion victory?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 25th 2020 at 12:11:59 PM

So... Evil?

Not just evil, but Stupid Evil. But they don't have to be. I mean, they don't have to be stupid. They're still going to be evil, pretty much.

Edited by Unsung on Mar 25th 2020 at 12:14:15 PM

@Gentlecoldafterdusk Not precisely. Avellone dislikes the NCR, but not because he thinks they're immoral per se. Closer to the opposite, actually: He dislikes the NCR because they're the biggest threat to the setting's status quo.

IIRC he did say he always thought of The Legion as the evillest of the options (or at least "very dark grey", I think was the term he used). And it should be noted that the game itself doesn't really pretend The Legion are anything but vile.

It's particularly telling that dumping radioactive waste into one of their bases and causing them to die a horrible death of radiation poison doesn't net you any negative karma, if memory serves. Nor does dropping a nuclear warhead on them.

Well given what they did to Camp Searchlight, it's only fair.

I never nuke anyone in the end of Lonesome Road, simply because I might easily nuke innocent slaves on Legion territory. Nuking Marked Men and Deathclaw, though? Oh yeah.

Anyway, how about... uh... lemme remember... Raul and Cass and that trader in the Fort? They all support Legion.

That Trader at the fort is a clear sociopath though. He talks about how safe the Legion made trading next to slaves and crucified people. From a writing POV he’s there to demonstrate why an average person would support the legion.

Raul and Cass cite pros of the Legion that’s not the same as supporting them.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 25th 2020 at 12:19:24 PM

Cass? Cass definitely doesn't support the Legion. She's pro-NCR. She's highly critical of them, not unrealistically, but she still very much thinks they're the best option.

Raul only "supports" the Legion in the sense that he's lived there and it wasn't so bad. I think he has a pretty low opinion of humanity in general and has lost too much to care about sticking his neck out for anyone but him and his.

Edited by Unsung on Mar 25th 2020 at 12:20:57 PM

Well, thank you all, you put my mind on ease. At least the creator of the LR antagonist admits that he's wrong about nuking settlements and about demonizing NCR and praising Legion.

Raul probably never lived in California, because in Fallout 2, NCR-controlled Shandy Sands is one of the heavily-guarded place ever in the game. So, on their home turf they offer the same safety as Legion without, you know, enslaving most of population and gang raping 50% of said population.

And another thing I'd love to tell him — hey, Raul, did you know that your beloved Rafaela would've been raped and enslaved by Legion for certain, simply because she ain't no man? Wonder, would you have 'nuff bullets to kill them all in this case, old timer?

Please understand when the writers paint the legion as a very dark grey and explain the benefits of their evil, they are saying it in the sense of “ they are horrible people but their actions have a sense of logic to them and they don’t do things for the sake of evil.” Not “ We endorse rape and slavery “.

Like I feel the Joker is a complex villain who has some good points, but I’m not agreeing with him or excusing his actions.

Replaying this game,so far I've had one crash,set it to capability mode windows 8 and had no more crashes since.

Also,my sense of direction is shit,I hate how easy it is to get lost in these games