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RaichuKFM Nine thousand nine hundred eighty-two reasons. from Where she's at Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Nine thousand nine hundred eighty-two reasons.
#240226: Apr 1st 2016 at 10:24:11 AM

There's nothing about being born as a Paradox Clone in a Session that mandates you actually play in that Session.

But I'll address the root of your problem: If there was someone who would never choose to play SBURB, they would not be in a loop involving them playing SBURB; if there was someone in a loop involving them playing SBURB, they wouldn't be one who would never play SBURB.

A time loop never exists, such that it would mandate a person making a choice they would never make;

Reality does not sum to incoherence.

Further, you see a choice between death and a second course of action, and assume that there is no real choice there. You are wrong.

There is a choice there,

Even if you were someone who would always choose the second, or someone who would always choose the first, you are freely choosing.

And ultimately, everyone is either one, or the other.

This limitation is not due to the content of the choice, but the nature of choosing.

You will always do only what you would ever do, you would only ever do what you would always do; that's simply the nature of being you.

That is why there is only ever one "real" choice; it's the choice you would make.

Anyone that would make a choice other than the one you would make, isn't you, inherently, manifestly.

Some choices are easier to decide than others, but, ultimately, the one you decide is the one you were always going to make.

Mostly does better things now. Key word mostly. Writes things, but you'll never find them. Or you can ask.
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#240227: Apr 1st 2016 at 10:25:24 AM

The thing is that you won't refuse to play the game, hence why it's a perfect loop and why Paradox Space works at all.

It isn't that you can't refuse, but the personality of the person and the situation that they're in straight up won't put them in a situation where they can't create themselves.

[up][nja]yeah that

edited 1st Apr '16 10:26:11 AM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
NinjaDragon Since: Nov, 2010
#240228: Apr 1st 2016 at 10:30:07 AM

Ok back to the original point.

Hussie will send the disc to a select few players.

And you can be damn sure they will play it. Why is that, I won't argue, that was never my point.

MetaFour AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN from A Place (Old Master)
AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN
#240229: Apr 1st 2016 at 10:47:09 AM

I remember that year when LE killed Hussie on April 1, and I think that was perfect. Because "Haha, one of the characters just killed the author of the comic" is exactly the sort of joke update you'd expect to see on April Fools Day. (In fact, I recall The Adventures Of Dr Mc Ninja doing that same joke, very early in its existence.) But in Homestuck, that actually happened in canon. So the real joke was that Hussie made us all question whether it was real or not.

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#240230: Apr 1st 2016 at 10:53:59 AM

Making a choice between death and something else isn't a real choice, because you're essentially being strongarmed into something you would not normally do without the death part.

RaichuKFM Nine thousand nine hundred eighty-two reasons. from Where she's at Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Nine thousand nine hundred eighty-two reasons.
#240231: Apr 1st 2016 at 11:01:52 AM

Firstly, while obviously a choice made under coercion, threat, or duress is, well, a choice made under coercion, threat, or duress, it's not a false choice? I know what you mean, I just, don't agree that it makes something no longer a real choice? Just, a different one, which is also terrible.

"Do X or Y" and "Do X or Y, and if Y get crushed by space rocks" are distinct choices.

But, firstly, Paradox Space doesn't strongarm people like that,

And second, you can choose to die.

That's like, a thing. That people have done. Both in the comic and real life.

Why's everyone ignoring that part?

Mostly does better things now. Key word mostly. Writes things, but you'll never find them. Or you can ask.
JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#240232: Apr 1st 2016 at 11:02:49 AM

Hobsons Choice, basically?

EDIT: I could've sworn we had a page for that, but I guess not.

edited 1st Apr '16 11:03:32 AM by JapaneseTeeth

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NinjaDragon Since: Nov, 2010
#240233: Apr 1st 2016 at 11:06:45 AM

Thanks to yesterday's earlier update I now find myself spamming F5 for the whole afternoon.

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AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN
#240234: Apr 1st 2016 at 11:17:45 AM

@Jteeth: Someone is trying to make a page for Hobsons Choice, but its path through YKTTW has been slow as molasses.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#240235: Apr 1st 2016 at 11:33:06 AM

We do have Leonine Contract though, which is similar.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
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#240236: Apr 1st 2016 at 11:39:00 AM

[up][up][up]Me too. Hussie's unpredictability will kill our keyboards.

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#240237: Apr 1st 2016 at 11:39:54 AM

I just click the refresh button. Over and over and over....

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
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#240238: Apr 1st 2016 at 12:44:21 PM

I can see why people have got problems with Earthbound Beginnings. The combat is unintuitive (and bad at times, when you fight multiple enemies, and target one, even if it dies, the rest of your party attack it's empty space rather than anybody else), and when you get items the game doesn't automatically tell you how they work (you gotta open up inventory to check), and because I missed an important item, I have to backtrack for a good chunk of the game. There's a lot of tedious grinding, even with the easy ring, and the lack of a map makes things even more confusing. Bleh.

Striders and Terezi

edited 1st Apr '16 12:54:28 PM by DrPsyche

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#240239: Apr 1st 2016 at 12:53:48 PM

I was spoiled by the early upd8 yesterday I hate waiting

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
RaichuKFM Nine thousand nine hundred eighty-two reasons. from Where she's at Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Nine thousand nine hundred eighty-two reasons.
#240240: Apr 1st 2016 at 12:59:03 PM

Update.

Mostly does better things now. Key word mostly. Writes things, but you'll never find them. Or you can ask.
LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#240241: Apr 1st 2016 at 1:00:29 PM

Lol literally 10 minutes after I post that I don't like waiting for updates.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#240242: Apr 1st 2016 at 1:01:09 PM

This is going to end horribly.

EDIT: Oh hai Hussie.

edited 1st Apr '16 1:03:18 PM by LordVatek

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#240243: Apr 1st 2016 at 1:01:27 PM

Oh shit.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Keybreak Since: Apr, 2010
#240244: Apr 1st 2016 at 1:01:52 PM

Aight, who's gonna double-, triple-, infinituple-die this time?

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#240245: Apr 1st 2016 at 1:02:36 PM

Somebody's getting fucked....

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
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#240246: Apr 1st 2016 at 1:04:50 PM

I assume the scenes with Caliborn are of when he fought his Denizen to attain the power to become LE, and not some later battle where Yaldabaoth is alive again.

edited 1st Apr '16 1:06:12 PM by DrPsyche

LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
A real bad hombre
#240247: Apr 1st 2016 at 1:05:55 PM

Yeah, that was definitely Yaldabaoth.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison
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#240248: Apr 1st 2016 at 1:06:26 PM

[up] Ah, I see, fixed it.

Also, I can see Hussie.

WolfMattGrey ◥▶◀◤ from who cares. Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
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#240249: Apr 1st 2016 at 1:07:01 PM

Oh my helldamned god.

ENGLISH ARRIVED.

And he's gonna kill the ghosts. They don't stand a chance. By the way, he really looks like an angry hairless green gorilla. Just don't kill Karkat and Meenah.

Also tiny creepy Hussie behind Vriska. Maybe he's gonna fight English? That'd be awesome.

Also Caliborn got to the Choice, apparently.

RaichuKFM Nine thousand nine hundred eighty-two reasons. from Where she's at Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Wishing you were here
Nine thousand nine hundred eighty-two reasons.
#240250: Apr 1st 2016 at 1:07:04 PM

I wasn't even refreshing the page repeatedly or anything.

Just kinda, oh hey there it is.

[up]We knew that already!! Wait, 'to'. Carry on.

edited 1st Apr '16 1:09:20 PM by RaichuKFM

Mostly does better things now. Key word mostly. Writes things, but you'll never find them. Or you can ask.

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