Pokémon General Thread

I'm a bit disappointed by the news with regards to the remakes.

I was hoping the opposite would happen, that since Game Freak weren't making them, the new studio would work extra hard to polish them up to try and get them well received so they'd have a better chance of getting more Pokémon stuff.

But if it's close to 1 to 1 that's going to be rough.

"But if that happened, Melia might actually be happy. We can't have that." - Handsome Rob

I wonder if Spiritomb will be easier to get or if it'll take 32 encounters with another player in the Underground again to activate it.

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Whiscash time. Always liked it as a mon, Hoenn had a lot of nice designs that unfortunately suffer in competitive. Come on GF, give it a buff.

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Even for in-game Hoenn it has to compete with the Mudkip line, which is also the best starter line of that Gen.

Edited by Karxrida on Oct 24th 2021 at 11:29:53 AM

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Should the fact that the regional forms of Zorua and Zoroark (Normal/Ghost) are only weak to the type their original forms had (Dark-type) be mentioned under Irony or a similar trope? Maybe even something like:

• Like Cannot Cut Like: Being Normal/Ghost types, they are the only Pokemon in existence that are immune to both of their own types.

I'm hesitant to add tropes until the games are actually out. But yes, that sole weakness was something I noticed, too.

I'm still thinking about type effectiveness, still soliciting some feedback. Would anyone care to make a logical argument for:

• Why Psychic should or shouldn't be super effective against Normal
• What resistances, if any, Steel could lose

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Oct 24th 2021 at 1:27:52 PM

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Normal is fine, have Steel no longer resist Psychic (although the lack of Pursuit made it much better as a type).

Have Ice resist Fairy, have Water be weak to Poison.

Again, I'm looking for reasons why, for those two specific questions.

,I wasn't asking about either of those, especially since I was the one who originally brought up both those ideas of Water being weak to Poison and Ice resisting Fairy, and gave reasons for them. My questions here were specifically about Psychic and Steel.

As for Whiscash, that video's comments brought up this funny Venn Diagram of Water/Ground types.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Oct 24th 2021 at 1:37:07 PM

The sad, REAL American dichotomy

Water being weak to poison is obvious,water can be polluted,not sure about fairy being weak to ice

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Cold Iron, and Ice being the type with the least ammount of resistances made sense. Those were common arguments in 2013 IIRC.

Pretty sure Cold Iron isn't literally cold. The Steel weakness already covers that.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Ah yeah, misread; most of the talk I remember was using that argument to justify Ice resisting Fairy, not Fairy being yet another type weak to Ice.

But then Fire got a random Fairy resist, and Ice remained as-is. Oh well.

More fan-favorites have the fire type than have ice. It makes sense, if you want to keep the fan-favorites viable when fairies roll in to nuke Hydreigon out of existence.

The mental image of a Hydreigon cowering in fear of a dainty little fairy is an amusing one

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Ice should resist water, since ice is solid water and they could logically freeze water type attacks making them less effective.

I'm not opposed to ice resisting dragon either.

Poison should be SE against water and grass SE against eletric.

Take an ice cube from your freezer and hold it under some running water. You mind will change very quickly.

Why does Grass even resist Electric, anyway? Lightning strikes can totally ignite trees.

Edited by Karxrida on Oct 24th 2021 at 12:21:37 PM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

By and large, Ice Type Pokemon aren't made of ice. They're animals that are adapted to cold climates. Just like how most Ground Type Pokemon aren't actually made of dirt, they're just animals that live underground.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 24th 2021 at 12:45:03 PM

Water Pokémon are partially made up of a bunch of fish and you can totally cook fish, yet they resist Fire presumably because you can't ignite water (usually?). I don't see why using physics for Ice is an issue, especially when all of its weaknesses stem from logic pertaining to ice and not Arctic animals.

Though it's honestly kind of arbitrary tbh.

Edited by Karxrida on Oct 24th 2021 at 12:54:34 PM

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Take a cup of water and throw it onto a roaring fire. Or try to put out a gas fire with water. You'd think Fire beats Water if you did. Quantity and speed matter.

But this is part of why I wasn't even asking about Ice and such in the first place. I was specifically asking about logical arguments regarding what could be weak to Psychic, or what Steel resistances could be reassessed. If people don't want to talk about that, that's fine.
I've still been thinking about it, and I could see an argument that Psychic could resist Fairy: being too smart for fae tricks. A literal and figurative Doing In the Wizard (and related Magic Versus Science tropes).

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Oct 24th 2021 at 4:53:43 AM

The sad, REAL American dichotomy

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There's a few instances where Logical Weakness doesn't apply as much as the fandom tries to make it. (See Bug > Dark because "bugs can see in the dark", despite Dark being Evil type in Japanese.)

Bugs are an animal and pay a vital role in the echo system therefore they are GOOD to compared to Dark pokemon who are mean jerks

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Aren't bugs often represented as heroic figures in Japanese culture, like as tokukatsu heroes? I thought that was what it was.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Oct 24th 2021 at 9:07:57 AM

Oh God! Natural light!

Bug beats Dark because Bug = Kamen Rider

Given Tokatsatsu is a big inspiration for Pokemon, that explanation is more likely than you think.

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