During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
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- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Zola
You know, I was considering recommending him. Is there any reason he does not count in MCU canon? If not, I may give him and that Skull (not Red Skull) I guy a shot.
EDIT: Unless there is a reason why I shouldn't bother with either, of course.
Edited by color2wheel on Jan 23rd 2019 at 4:52:32 AM
Zola in the MCU barely does much and his intentions were ultimately good. He explains that he believed HYDRA would better humanity as a whole.
That and his responsibility is considerably diluted.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
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What's your vote on game Zola?
Edited by Bullman on Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:00:09 AM
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I haven't decided.
Really? Wow...
Whateves, I'll try Skull...if you want to disprove that, as well.
Edited by color2wheel on Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:00:35 AM
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"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Lord of Hell
@color
MCU Skull is already listed
No, no. That A-hope from Winter Soldier that got his face all messed up, then he tried to kill Cap in Civil War.
I know he didn't do much, but I thought since he assited in a plan that would've killed millions, then became a selfish scumbag who only cared about his revenge. That, and he is a pretty minor villain.
This guy. My bad, Crossbones!
Edited by color2wheel on Jan 23rd 2019 at 5:30:24 AM
MCU Zola comes off as an NSWIE to me, but whatever. Game version of Zola.
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Oh, yeah definitely. I must say I did not mean to suggest anything else.
Edited by PolarPhantom on Jan 23rd 2019 at 3:23:06 PM
Not heinous enough there. Too in the background.
Preaching to the choir Polar, he seemed like scum to me.
Ah, fair enough.
I'm pretty sure that Gideon was cut before for being inusfficiently heinous. That being said, I disagreed with that view and so Gideon.
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Zola because he doesn't seem to do that much onscreen evil
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
His experiments are shown in pictures and explained in great detail in his film reals you collect through the game. We've approved people with less.
Edited by Bullman on Jan 23rd 2019 at 8:54:19 AM
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Gentle Laborer
Hold up!
I have all three Scott Pilgrim books in my possession and i had a clear memory of Gideon planning on using the Glow to control the world. Certain websites even mention the Take Over the World aspect. But now that i'm reading the last chapter again, i'm not finding any evidence of this plan; he does mention that the "Glow" was what made him a millionare, aka he used it on other people to get rich. But i simply can't find his plan to use the Glow to control everything, what is this? Mandela Effect? Or am i reading this wrong?
to Game! Zola
May wanna check on that one more, Crow.
Gentle Laborer
Yeah this is fucking weird, after literally one hour of searching i'm not finding anything on my book. The only thing that is explicit is how he made money with Mind Rape. "That's how i made my millions, buddy. Emotional warfare."
Excluding the fact that some websites mention his plan to control the world, because i like my information coming from my own book, is he still a keep with all of his crimes combined minus the Take Over the World?
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Jan 23rd 2019 at 12:29:18 PM
Well, how heavy is the nudge he's keeping his ex-dates as sex slaves?
No to game!Zola. No other keepers left in the MCU as of right now, Color.
Alrighty then. I’ll look elsewhere.
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
Why do you feel that way Scraggle?
Edited by Kylotrope on Jan 23rd 2019 at 6:31:11 AM
Things are really about to get Fun around here
On which, my vote on Zola or my stance on the MCU having no keepers?
Edited by Scraggle on Jan 23rd 2019 at 7:31:27 AM
Hmm, not quite as bad as Skull, but given it's only connected somewhat, I'll give a tentative yes.
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