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Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Hello, I apparently got suspended for an edit war I got in the character page of Helluva Boss over the section Fizzarolli/Robo Fizz. I wish to appeal for my suspension to be lifted.
Maybe for some explanations I guess.
- Fellow Troper Moroaica changed the character folder name and character summary for Fizzarolli to Robo Fizz without a reason.
- I changed their edits back and gave the reason "The section is being used for Fizzarolli in general which includes both the real Fizzarolli and Robo Fizz".
- They changed their edits back and gave the reason "Robo Fizz and Fizzaroli are two different characters, and all the tropes only apply to Robo Fizz as the latter hasn't been seen".
- I changed their edit back again and gave a more lengthy reason.
As far I'm aware, Moroaica was the only one pushing for the change and the situation seemed still too minor that I figured that changing it back again wouldn't be considered too big of an edit war. I gave a more lengthy reason as to better explain what's going on with the section and other stuff that they didn't seem to consider.
The character section at the heart of this matter was originally created as a sort of base foundation covering Fizzarolli in general which included both the real Fizz and his robotic replica. While most of the tropes that are listed in it as of now pertain to just Robo Fizz, there are a few that pertain to the real Fizzarolli/Fizzarolli in general.
Due to circumstances also, the name "Fizzarolli" is at the moment just as much associated with the robot replica if not mostly based on quick searches on various sites and search engines and apparent consensus across the internet. As far as it's concerned for the moment, there isn't really that much difference between the real Fizz and Robo Fizz and the two are more or less indistinguishable/interchangable.
While the real Fizzarolli has yet to appear and it's unknown yet as to how much more different he'll be from his robot replica, it's at least a safe bet he'll share some qualities.
With all that, I argued therefore it would be best to have the section covering Fizzarolli in general and slowly expand from there. See where things go before splitting things up and etc. Basically organically build things instead of doing it almost haphazardly.
Furthermore, considering what appeared to be Fizz showed up in the teaser trailer for season 1, I also suggested to wait for at least 4 months for when the remaining episodes will drop to see how things play out.
Lastly, I argued that if the section has to be changed then more will have to be done than just simply rewriting the title parts as there are other parts that would come off weird sounding or out of place if left as is. The parts I'm referring to would be sentences that specifically distinguish that the subject that's being talked about is Robo Fizz rather than the real Fizzarolli, and tropes about Fizzarolli in general.
Given what has occurred, I guess I should have discussed things out before further engaging what appeared to be "a minor edit starting to brew" to quote the Ask The Tropers report that brought this whole matter up.
Also I don't know if this is going to factor in or not but I guess I should address other edits of Moroaica's that I reverted in the same relative time. The edits that I reverted were them adding wrongly used tropes, giving extremely very minor characters sections, and restructuring the character page. Them adding tropes that are misused I guess is self-explanatory. Them adding certain very minor characters their own sections didn't seem warranted in the cases I reverted as it seemed too much. One of the minor character sections they added was essentially about the entire background crowd of extras found in one episode. As for them restructuring the page, I gave the reason that it was still too early to structure characters in such an order.
As far as I'm aware however, the Fizzarolli/Robo Fizz thing is that the only thing that Moroaica has reedited back.
With explanations I guess said, I appeal for my suspension to be lifted I guess.
Given how long I've been on this site, I'm aware of the rules. However, I will admit I am still not clear how strict they are. What counts as an edit war that's big enough to warrant those involved immediate suspension is still beyond me. As a result, I'm sometimes too afraid in some situations and apparently not afraid enough in others. So I'm asking for forgiveness for a situation that I thought would be too minor.
Edited by Elfkaiser on Mar 23rd 2021 at 9:35:03 AM
~Dark: Aye, you got most of the suspension reasons right. The unreleased work policy is a recent arrival and we've had quite some problems with compliance. I'll lift the suspension on the understanding that we won't see more bickering along these lines.
~AHI-3000: I'll ask my colleagues about this.
~Xenoslayer2137: A single bullet point meanwhile is appropriate when there is only one example. Multiple third bullet points when there are multiple sub-examples that need to be grouped under a second-level bullet point.
Assuming that you now understand the correct use of bullet points, I'll lift the suspension but remember to be careful. We don't like it when people have to be repeatedly reminded of the rules.
~Elfkaiser: Well, yeah, #4 was the wrong way to go about it. When people disagree with your edit you don't simply ram it back in. Someone over PM said that apparently only Robo Fizz appeared in the show, too.
I am not normally as strict as some others on edit warring but coupled with your prior history of suspension and the fact that even your rationale under #2 doesn't appear to justify the edit you did, we have a good reason for a suspension.
For the record, the issue here is less the edit itself and more the fact that you repeated it. I don't know anything about the work itself so I can't judge beyond the form.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Okay. I don't want to repeat myself, but again I just want to say I sincerely regret acting like such an idiot. I should've sought out the community's approval before attempting these projects. I don't know what to expect next, but do whatever you think is necessary.
I remember being suspended over spoilers when the rules regarding the spoiler policy were first implemented however I don't remember if I was suspended for anything else. Sorry, could use a refresher on what else I may have done wrong in the past.
The reason I gave in #2 was that Moroaica kinda changed things apparently with a kinda wrong presumption of what the folder was going for. They also kinda only did the bare minimum. They changed the folder name and character summary but didn't rewrite the rest of the section to fit their change.
As detailed in #3, Moroaica also kinda rammed their edit back in too. For the benefit of the doubt, I guess they may not have read my previous reason. For repeating their edit, I hence in #4 gave a more lengthy and detailed reason as a more solid counter than what I said in #2.
A number of Moraica's edits that I've seen suggest they may be a relatively new troper though I could be wrong. A number of their edits were just wrong in one way or another. That may have also clouded my judgment I guess.
For some context on the character matter in question I guess:
Fizzarolli, from the episode in which first involves the character in whatever form, is kinda the mascot/spokesperson for one of the apparent big shots in the show's universe. Fizz's likeness is plastered all over various products, ranging from breakfast cereal to beverages like soda and vodka, and there's even plushies of him being sold.
He's basically like Colonel Sanders or any other person whose likeness is used as a product mascot.
Robo Fizz is then introduced alongside a big neon sign saying "Fizzarolli n Friends". He's an animatronic replica of the real Fizzarolli in a fashion similar to Chuck E. Cheese or Fazzy Fredbear from Five Nights at Freddy's. While it's a robot version of the real Fizzarolli, for all intents and purpose, it is meant to be Fizzarolli.
There's very little difference between real Fizz and Robo Fizz as of this writing.
While the real Fizz has yet to actually appear in the flesh, his presence is technically displayed throughout the episode in one form or another. He has technically appeared in a roundabout way.
Dunno what to say though other than I'll try to be more wary about engaging in apparent edit wars.
Like I kinda said, it maybe still hard for me to gauge on what point it's going to be an edit war that's big enough to warrant a suspension. As far as I could recollect, I've seen edit wars that appeared to be minor in scope and no one got instantly suspended. It was usually when there are more than four back and forths that people actually got suspended as far I can recall. So there's that I guess.
So to be honest, the best I can say is that "I'll try". That's not to say I won't put any effort but considering the matter at hand, I guess I should be honest. If it's any guarantee, I will say that I was already anxious about doing anything that may be considered an edit war prior to this. With this apparent very quick suspension imposed on me, that anxiety that I already had just shot up a peg, making me more wary of things.
So may I be unsuspended. If not, what must I say to convince for me to be unsuspended.
Edited by Elfkaiser on Mar 24th 2021 at 4:27:31 AM
~Tropers/crazysamaritan I have no idea how to do that.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Why was I suspended?
Please unsuspend me. I think it was some sort of mistake.
Lost in Space
~Dimon: You appear to be running some sort of grammar or spellchecking software that alters articles that you visit, saving the edited text back to the wiki. Either that or you are doing this deliberately, which is not acceptable. TV Tropes allows both American and Commonwealth spellings and we expect grammar to be checked by human beings who have a sense of appropriate context, not by robots.
You must disable this plugin or whatever it is while editing TV Tropes.
Edited by Fighteer on Mar 25th 2021 at 11:57:19 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Ok, I deleted the plugin
Edited by Dimon on Mar 25th 2021 at 9:43:31 PM
Now please unsuspend me. There will be no more of this kind of stuff.
Edited by Dimon on Mar 25th 2021 at 9:43:46 PM
My edit ability is still suspended. I think I mentioned that I understood what an edit war was a couple of pages back.
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
~Pikachu 4 Prezident, please answer the three questions.
I know there are some obvious reasons as to why I was suspended. I had a lot of trouble with indentations a lot of the time and there was one page that got edited for me "bluenosing" the content in it.
That said, I would like to edit again, I read some more of the rules and I think I might be able to act right this time.
How sweet it is
~Dimon, there's no need to post twice in a row. If it's out of impatience, let it be known that moderators have lives outside of the wiki; we cannot address everyone immediately.
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Tropers/crazysamaritian I don’t know where I could have discussed the edit. I’m wandering blind here. Could someone please help me out?
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
~Tropers/Colleen, the information is on Administrivia.Edit War, please read the entire page.
Edited by crazysamaritan on Mar 25th 2021 at 12:00:40 PM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Lost in Space
~Dimon: I'll release your suspension. Please be more patient or we're going to run into problems again.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Asking why I got suspended
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
How sweet it is
~Moroaica, do you recall adjusting a folder title in Characters.Helluva Boss?
We are planning on investigating a little further into an edit war on that page, but it would help if we get your input regarding the matter.
Edited by Berrenta on Mar 25th 2021 at 11:36:48 AM
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I did change one character from Fizarolli to Robofizz, and changed it back. Looking at the Edit War page, I see that was a 3rd edit, and counts as and Edit War. I will be sure to not do that in the future, and will go to the article's discussion page, DM the tropers ect.
Edited by Moroaica on Mar 25th 2021 at 9:40:44 AM
~Candy Cake 93: Well, there is that and also deleting stuff without a reason, poor grammar, adding sinkholes, improper formatting and using tropes incorrectly.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
A bullet point with two asterisks is used for describing multiple examples of a trope. I should not use a bullet point with three asterisks as a sort of comment on the original two asterisk trope.