This is the thread we use to talk things over with people who have received a suspension notice. A lot of the time the notice goes out just so we can explain how seriously we take certain things, not because we want the person to feel bad and go away.
If you're suspended, give What to Do If You Are Suspended a read, then post here to begin your appeal. We try to respond to appeals in order via batch posts every few days. If a moderator has responded to your appeal, you will receive a notification in your private messages, even if you're suspended from PMs.
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- Don't be rude. Rule 1 applies here, too.
- Don't try to negotiate your suspension outside of this thread, such as by sending Private Messages to moderators or posting elsewhere. Such activity may be thumped or otherwise removed, and may warrant an additional suspension block if it keeps happening. All communications have to take place within this thread.
- Don't respond to other suspended users. This is a place for you to discuss your suspension, not others'.
- Don't post multiple times about your appeal if it hasn't been a few days since your last reply from us, since it makes it more difficult to compose responses. If you've posted, we're likely looking at it, and kindly request you to be more patient.
- Don't make another account to try and get around your suspension. This is called ban evasion and will get you bounced. (Again, read What to Do If You Are Suspended if you don't know what these words mean.)
Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
~Zarastro, we simply have no interest in hosting posts that call whole swaths of cultures barbaric. You are free to criticize individual practices, but wholesale pigeonholing is very bad-faith and, frankly, racist. Your posts in the Israel and Palestine thread were full of anti-Arab/Palestinian sentiment that warranted this intervention.
While your suspension was predicated on some behavior in July 2019, I see at least one thumped post from you that espoused the same viewpoint back in 2017. What has changed?
So normal it's not even funny
Clear as day, i'll keep that in mind.
Mechas make everything better. Except dinosaurs. They make those perfect.
I agree that what I wrote was unacceptable and partly influenced from some negative bias of mine. I never meant to say that a culture was barbaric per se, just that the treatment of LBGQT-people could be considered barbaric (though I would not use the term again).It seemed to me that the discussion in this thread did not sufficiently acknowledge the protection Israel offers to minorities. I felt very strongly about it because my former roomate and good friend of mine was from Palestine, and he told me about he was almost killed by his family because of his sexual orientation, and how he was granted asylum in Israel. That I let my personal bias cloud my judgement was wrong and I apologize if I have offended anyone.
I also did not put enough thought into how some of my posts could be interpreted, especially concerning the treatment of Palestinians in the occupied territories ( I was also not aware at the time off how many Palestinians live under occupation).
I have in the past written in other instances about topics concerning the Arab world, and I do no not think that I made objectionable statements, though again I should in general be more reflective on what I write.
I won't be writing in the Israel/Palestinian thread in any case as a future safe-guard.
Edit: I will generally be more careful on what I write and what terms I use. Tvtropes is not the only forum I frequent, and I got affected from the language used in other forums, thereby forgetting that the standards here are higher.
2nd Edit: I also don't remember what I wrote in 2017, but I should have taken this as a warning sign more seriously.
Edited by Zarastro on Oct 9th 2019 at 3:02:49 PM
How sweet it is
Good to hear, ~Shinwashi. I'll release your suspension. Happy troping!
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~nombretomado: Indeed, I didn't understand the Example Indentation mistake at first, that's why I asked how I made a mistake. The answer was clear and helped me understand. As for the other issues I caused, like I said earlier, I now know where I was wrong and won't do them again.
Hello, I would like to know exactly why I have been suspended from editing and how long it's going to last.
Edited by DuchessSnow on Oct 9th 2019 at 8:13:27 AM
I'd like to know why I've been suspended. I don't know what exactly I might have done, and I also find it annoying that I didn't get any sort of warning message. Honestly, you should consider that as it might help prevent these kinds of issues.
do you hear the drums?
~Zarastro, to be candid, bans that result from misbehavior in OTC are typically iffy in one way or another. It's an area of the forums that attracts a lot of escalated rhetoric, and what is acceptable to some, is absolutely unacceptable to another.
However, in your case, you had quite a few tropers who, early on in the thumps, tried to issue in one way or another a warning that your posts were crossing the line. If we are to release your suspension, then it's very much up to you to pay attention to yourself and recognize when you are approaching the line. If people tell you that your posts are out of order, then you should be mature enough to check yourself.
I find your appeal to be sufficient enough, but I really cannot stress enough that any reiteration of this rhetoric will get you banned, a lot faster, and any appeal will have a much tougher audience.
Are we clear on the expectations here?
~DuchessSnow and ~TurquoiseOwl, both of you have been suspended for edit-warring an entry on YMMV.Steven Universe The Movie. While we do enjoy a good warning message before issuing suspensions, a suspension is not the end of the conversation; it is an intervention to start one.
You were both tugging back and forth, unconstructively, over an entry, with no apparent effort to resolve it off-page. As stated on Edit War, the third edit in a delete-add-delete (or add-delete-add) pattern constitutes such a war. If any disagreement occurs on an entry, then the appropriate move is to hold off on further edits and talk it out. There are multiple venues for this to occur: private PM's, the discussion of the page in question, or Ask the Tropers. The edit reasons, or page itself, is not such a venue.
~Mekal, I think what would reassure us best in your circumstance is a quick proof that you understand and can avoid some mistakes in the future. We'll do this for zero-context and example indentation, as those are the easiest ones to do in a forum post.
Please rewrite this edit of yours to Characters.Dont Escape to have sufficient context. (This was apparently about a character named Cate.)
- Jerkass: She's quite the sarcastic bitch.
Secondly, please correct the indentation in this tree:
- Misplaced Wildlife: The ammonite. Almost all of the giant creatures are explained as being the results of Captain Nemo's experiments to solve world hunger by making giant versions of ordinary animals, except for the ammonite. It appears to be a prehistoric survival instead of one of Nemo's experiments gone wrong.
- Similarly, the giant bird, although identified as one of Nemo's experiments, is clearly modeled on the extinct terror bird Phorusrhacos (though its coloration does make it look like a giant chicken).
I understand and I am grateful if you would give me a second chance.
Edited by Zarastro on Oct 9th 2019 at 6:20:23 PM
~nombretomado :
For the zero-context:
- Jerkass: She's quite the sarcastic bitch. An especially mean instance is if you examine the corpses next to the RV after recruiting Barry (the group just helped him bury his wife): she'll ask David, with unprovoked sarcasm, if he wants to bury them too. When he answers no, she snarks that he thinks they don't deserve it. And when he replies that it's because they're out of time, she gives a mock apology to the corpses.
For the example indentation:
- Misplaced Wildlife:
- The ammonite. Almost all of the giant creatures are explained as being the results of Captain Nemo's experiments to solve world hunger by making giant versions of ordinary animals, except for the ammonite. It appears to be a prehistoric survival instead of one of Nemo's experiments gone wrong.
- Similarly, the giant bird, although identified as one of Nemo's experiments, is clearly modeled on the extinct terror bird Phorusrhacos (though its coloration does make it look like a giant chicken).
OK. I'd actually started to suspect that was what it was about. I got frustrated about the repeated deletion of my entry and acted without thinking instead of sending a message to the person who was deleting it. Normally I do realize that edit wars are best avoided, but... well, I was really annoyed.
I am willing to make an effort to ensure this doesn't happen again. I would very much like to be able to continue editing.
do you hear the drums?
I apologize for this. I was only trying to correct what I deemed to be an illogical entry by pointing out the fallacies it presented. I'll be sure not to let this happen again.
~Zarastro, OK. Your suspension has been released.
~TurquoiseOwl and ~DuchessSnow, it sounds like you two are both committed to discussing this to get a consensus, which we appreciate. I would recommend taking it to ATT - there is an existing query you can add onto, or you can start a new one.
Just remember - whether the consensus is for keeping or cutting the example, you are obligated to go along with it.
~Mekal:
Zero-context looks much better. Good job.
The indentation looks good as well, but a small, unrelated correction I just want to draw some attention towards since we're here. Examples should stand independent of each other. Language that refers to other locations on the page (such as "see above", "in the previous example", etc.) should be avoided. Wikis get edited all the time, and there is no guarantee that such a reference won't become orphaned in the future. To that end, the "Similarly" in the second example shouldn't be there.
As for the grammatical issues, while I'm willing to restore your editing privileges without forcing you to use the GHWE thread, it would be best if you continue to voluntarily use it. If you edit on the live wiki, with continued grammatical issues, that may prompt another intervention.
Thanks for coming in. ![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Is there anything else I can do while I wait to get my suspension lifted? Please let me know, thank you.
~Dinogal95, please see my earlier responses to you here and here. We'll have to see some sufficient improvement in the Get Help with English thread before we can re-consider your appeal to have your editing privileges restored.
I see you've only posted there once, so it doesn't look like you've made a game attempt as of yet.
Thanks, sorry about that, I have been busy, I will do more.
I did what you said weeks ago. Is there anything else I should do?
The Complicator
I don't know why I was suspended and would like to edit again.
Hi
~Arthur Deckard: Looking through your edits, I've seen several instances where you've made wicks improperly and a handful of noticeable grammar issues.
The Complicator
The reason I made most of those errors was thanks to inexperience.
I have since become more experienced in the areas you have criticized.
~Jim2tolive, unfortunately there are multiple things in your editing habits that concern us.
If there are multiple examples, then the work/trope goes on the first line, and each example gets its own second-level bullet line.
This can get more granular, such as when there is a franchise with multiple works with multiple examples, but those are the basics above.
What's added by the parts I've italicized? How is that adding to the argument that this piece of music is Awesome Music?
What should be there instead is clearly stating what makes this piece of music awesome. The fact that it is unique, or that it has distortions, doesn't do this.