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Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 15th 2023 at 11:35:01 AM
Nothing of that sort. We noticed you have some issues with Natter.
Do you mind providing some examples so I can have a more solid grasp on what "natter" is? (This Wiki software should allow highlighting of differences between edits.) The linked page hasn't cleared it up for me.
Also, regarding lengthy theories, is WMG and Fridge pages where those should go to in the first place?
Speaking of, can this Wiki software generate automatic messages when an edit is reverted? (MediaWiki software powering The Other Wiki does.) If this is a feature it would serve as a better warning system before people get banned for edit problems. Instead of suddenly found oneself being banned and have to head here (and make this a long thread to sift through,) people can get a pre-ban heads up when edits are reverted. Those messages can also serve as a strike counter, so repeated offenders can be picked out more easily.
I'll add on to different pages and I learned that Zero Content Examples are not tolerated on this site.
Was doing a large amount of edits to add in tropes and more too a Podcast page jumping around a bit to get it all organized nice and neat so the page had all the examples i could think of. But the page was locked well i was applying said edits, and i was suspended.
Could this be fixed?
Doctor
Hello, I seem to have gotten sent to edit-jail.
Is this in regards to the Captain Marvel thing from back in march or did I do something wrong recently?
Let me know what's up and I'll adjust my behaviour accordingly
How sweet it is
It seems that your ZCE issues that gave you your initial suspension 6 years ago has relapsed.
~Diplo Raptor
Okay, we got a lengthy list.
- Possible Auto-Erotic Troping. You spent quite a lot of edits pimping your own pages.
- YMMV issues. If it's your work, YMMV and moments pages for those works are off limits, no exceptions.
- Grammar. We expect a certain amount of proficiency in English grammar. We do have a place where you can have others proofread any examples you'd like to add: here's a link.
- Zero-Context Example issues. Examples should explain how the work uses various tropes.
I know I've made a bunch of mistakes, but I'm a newbie at this, not an expert. I'm not all that big on entertainment as a whole, but I want to get into it. So, I try to watch what everyone else is watching. I want to be special, so I would like to apologize for my poor editing skills.
~technix, WMG would be appropriate for posting your own personal theories. While we do have some directives (see WMG.Programme Note) around that part of the wiki, it is far more appropriate for speculation than the main wiki.
Here is an example of natter:
- In what may very well be an homage to Neptune and Uranus, Cure Chocolat and Cure Macaron from KiraKira★Pretty Cure à la Mode are based on a Takarazuka otokoyaku and musumeyaku, respectively. Bonus point that Chocolat’s VA, Nanako Mori, used to perform in Takarazuka Revue as an otokoyaku.
The "bonus point" you have added is not relevant to the example as written. The reason why we also call natter "conversation on the main page" is because your edit sounds like you are correcting or chiming in on a conversation. The examples written on the wiki should read coherently as a single writer.
Another good example is your edit to Franchise.Pretty Cure.
- Transformation Is a Free Action: Justified in-universe, where the transformation takes place inside a barrier or appears as a bright flash of light to observers. Yanagita Rikao, a Japanese university professor, even provided a scientific explanation as to why Cure Black and Cure White could never be attacked while transforming.
- Although it's implied in some places (such as the first All-Stars movie) that transformations are actually near-instantaneous and that the flashy transformation sequences are merely extended pieces of eye candy for the audience.
- It is later confirmed in Kirakira that, at least to a civilian (or in this case, a future Cure that is yet to join the team,) Cure transformation is instantaneous and appears as a flash of light.
You added the second sub-bullet, which tags onto the original write-up instead of correcting it. See Repair, Don't Respond. If an example could use some additional information, you should strive to correct the example instead of conversing in a separate bullet/line.
Edited by nombretomado on Aug 17th 2019 at 8:32:36 AM
Thanks for the concrete examples. I will keep those in mind when troping in the future. For the first example though, how should I word my edit so topics "on same train of thought" can be expressed? In this case the production team casted a VA specifically to highlight the point.
p.s. When will my suspension be lifted?
World-Taking Scholar of Tech
So, I was suspended, and I know why- I freaked out and did some stupid stuff. I do have some hang-ups about how it was done, namely, that no one directly messaged me about it, and that the rule in question was... I guess too ambiguous, for lack of a better term, because I felt an in-game voice fit under "gameplay" aspect. But I ended up responding to inadequacies by being an asshole and I'm sorry. Probably shouldn't have talked about a controversy so soon, when it still stung. I guess I'd like to know if the suspension is going to be lifted, and when if it is.
Edited by Kibchi on Aug 17th 2019 at 8:58:12 AM
Doctor
Wait, so I got suspended for the thing I got suspended for 6 years ago? Am I understanding this correctly? (Also, I'm not aware of any of my own "works" that I have that I could be Auto Erotic troping. I don't have any works.)
This seems a bit odd, I'm not quite sure I'm on the same page here
~technix, the way you have phrased that particular edit, it does not come across that the VA was purposefully cast to create that homage. It seems more of a coincidence that anything.
To be frank, that example is not well-written at the core, because it does not demonstrate how those characters are creating an homage to Neptune and Uranus. However, here is a simple rewrite to at least address the issue of your edit being seen as an afterthought:
- Cure Chocolat in KiraKira★Pretty Cure à la Mode is voiced by Nanako Mori, who used to perform in Takarazuka Revue as an otokoyaku. Her previous experience, along Cure Chocolat's relationship to Cure Macaron in Kira Kira, create an homage to Neptune and Uranus and demonstrate that the characters are intentionally based on a Takarazuka otokoyaku and musumeyaku, respectively.
If your edit does not add to the example value - if it does not help prove the point of the example - then it is natter.
As for how long the suspension lasts, it's usually just until we are convinced that you understand the issue at hand and know how to avoid it moving forward.
Edited by nombretomado on Aug 17th 2019 at 8:31:53 AM
~Kibchi, there are a few things here. For one, you did not adhere to the rules of DMOS. This does happen, but, when the issue was pointed out, you compounded it by edit-warring and took the corrections very personally in the ATT thread.
If you don't understand the rules, then you can ask for clarification. You can even profess to not understand them, but you did not have an excuse after multiple people explained (correctly) what the issue was. Claiming that it was mob mentality, potshots, tropers were unpleasable, etc. demonstrate to us your stubbornness on being corrected.
It's not unusual to miss a rule, or interpret a rule a different way than others, but the way to resolve these issues is the exact opposite of how you behaved.
World-Taking Scholar of Tech
~nombretomado I did ask, though? The response I got was "That shouldn't have been removed." When I asked others later, after getting no concrete info on it, they decided to be insulting to someone who was in an unstable state- which should've been obvious from how I was acting, given I said they were unpleasable, and had a mob mentality- which I do regret, since my composure broke and I'm sorry they had to see that.
Edited by Kibchi on Aug 17th 2019 at 1:30:07 AM
~Kibchi, I've reviewed the ATT thread, and the only two items that do not state your example were not appropriate were A) there were other rule-breaking examples in DMOS, and B) there was no edit reason given for the initial removal of your example. However, even in B)'s case, they noted (correctly) that the removal was according to the rules.
There was a lot of concrete info in that ATT thread. Multiple rules were cited, and explanations given. No insults were given. Your behavior is your own to control. We are not overseeing your mental state as a whole; we are noting your behavior on this wiki. Your behavior was inappropriate. You are to account for it.
Now, if you feel that you cannot handle being informed that your edits are not adhering to the rules, and feel that being told that with citations is insulting, you may not find this is the best place for you. Corrections are given all the time.
Edited by nombretomado on Aug 17th 2019 at 6:28:02 AM
World-Taking Scholar of Tech
~nombretomado So, I should've just tolerated that they worded their comments like "terminate with extreme prejudice," and "the rules don't matter because we all agreed on it and outnumber you?" Because that's what made me feel singled out, their phrasing. In addition, you acknowledge that there were other rule-breaking examples- thus, acknowledging that seeing similar things slip past, I would believe my example would be okay. I already acknowledged I screwed up- I don't know what else you want from me.
Edited by Kibchi on Aug 17th 2019 at 6:34:17 AM
I'm assuming you're referring to this statement: "the fact that literally everyone has disagreed with you means it's not valid whether the rules say anything about it or not. the wiki works by consensus. barring mod fiat, the rules are whatever everyone agrees the rules are, and we've agreed your example isn't acceptable."
The wiki does work by consensus. If the rules didn't say anything (which they do, and, again, your edit was against those rules), then the consensus is what people work with.
Also, I don't know how to explain this to you. If many people break the rules, and so do you, and you get caught, you do not get a pass. In fact, it was said in-thread that those other examples should be removed as well. Things that violate the rules when people notice them. Someone noticed yours. It got removed.
The overall presentation of your appeal is that you have yet to acknowledge the fact that those rules exist, or that you were edit-warring, you misconstrue factual statements as personal attacks, and profess that other examples getting away with rule-breaking means you should be able to get away with it too.
I'm not very convinced that your suspension should be lifted, because it does not seem that you are interested or capable of being a constructive member of this community. Would you like to reconsider your appeal?
Edited to strike through, because you did acknowledge this in your original post.
Edited by nombretomado on Aug 17th 2019 at 6:42:05 AM
Now I get it. Thanks for the patient clarification.
P.s. I feel a bit confused with the administrivia lingo.
~technix, Administrivia is where we keep a lot of important information regarding editing. I'd recommend browsing it, and asking in Ask the Tropers if you have any questions.
I'll release your suspension. Thanks for coming in.
World-Taking Scholar of Tech
~nombretomado Again, I acknowledge I fucked up, and that I fucked up by breaking said rules- but that's not what I was taking issue with. I was taking issue with how it was worded. I'm okay with how you worded the consensus agreement thing, because that elaborates it in such a way that makes it seem less contrived, and also I don't think I should be able to get away with something that doesn't fit, but I also don't think I had a good frame of reference for things that didn't fit, since again, as you've stated, there were examples in there that didn't fit.
I'm not gonna give up on this, for a number of reasons, but among them is a desire to improve.
mr3urious
I have no idea what I did to get suspended, but it's been ages since I responded, and I'm really itching to start editing again. May I pretty please get my suspension revoked? 
~mr3urious, you were sent notifiers regarding improper Example Indentation, but it doesn't seem like you rectified the issue on your own. Here is an example of improper indentation you added (the sub-bullet):
- Although the company is German, the name "BMW" works in both German and English. The name actually stands for "Bayerische Motoren Werke", but it also just happens to stand for the German name's English translation, "Bavarian Motor Works".
- Similarly, there's BASF, whose name stands for "Badische Anilin und Soda Fabrik". Translated, it means "Baden Aniline and Soda Factory" (Baden is an old German state in which the company was founded).
Please review the page linked and let us know if you understand the issue.
~Kibchi, OK, now I feel like we are getting somewhere.
I am still concerned that you took such umbrage at being given correction. No one particularly likes being told they're wrong, of course, but if you are to operate in a community then you need to be able to moderate your impulse to snipe back at those who are giving you correction. In particular, it is not appropriate for you to label those corrections as personal attacks, when they are not. Even if they were (and, again, they weren't), the correct thing wouldn't have been to attack back, it would have been to ask for a mod to review the conversation.
Are we clear on all counts here? I do not want any of the issues at-hand to happen again (edit-warring or community strife).
I am unaware what happened to me resulting in me getting a ban. I would like to resume editing.
If it is my use of addresses within common proxy server ranges, well I have to use it to access TV Tropes and most other linked resources properly due to local technical difficulties
. This is something every troper in mainland China must work around.
I only use servers I own, so those specific servers are not actual open proxies.
Edited by technix on Aug 16th 2019 at 11:46:28 PM