I see the Awesomeness.
I vote for splitting as well.
Thirded.
Uh, fourthed?
I see the Awesomeness.
Some ships may be both a Generation Ship and a Cryo Ship, as in the Chasm City example.
edited 28th Dec '10 12:35:00 PM by MoCellMan
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I see the Awesomeness.
How does that work?
Fight smart, not fair.
The sizable crew is generational, and they are carrying a cargo of Human Popsicles.
edited 28th Dec '10 4:13:28 PM by MoCellMan
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I see the Awesomeness.
That would just be both wouldn't it.
Fight smart, not fair.
Some ships may be both a Generation Ship and a Cryo Ship, as in the Chasm City example.
Yeah, there will be examples that fall under both, so just put them in both articles. No big deal.
Indeed, I didn't mean it as an objection to the split; just pointing out that some could be both, something to be aware of when performing the split.
edited 28th Dec '10 6:31:24 PM by MoCellMan
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I'm pro split as long as we're careful of the ones that overlap are on put both pages.
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Agreed. As long as the examples which belong on both pages appear on both, I'm in favour of a split.
Accidental mistakes are forgivable, intentional ones are not.
soft split?
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No Cryo ships don't fit the title at all.
goat milk?
Does it say something about the fact that I spend too much time on the wiki, that I thought this was going to be somehow related to May–December Romance?
I did a bit of the same thing.
Soft splitting would only work if the trope was renamed and redefined to something like Slow Boat To Andromeda , with inclusion of the multiple ways to handle the fact of trip duration being longer than a metabolically active crew member / passenger's lifetime (or is that a trope already? Now I have to look).
In addition to the Chasm City combination example, I suppose they would go on both if the trip was so long that everyone used cryo and it still took multiple generations to reach the destination.
edited 29th Dec '10 9:54:56 AM by MoCellMan
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Jupiterian Local
We'd have to be careful to define what counts as a "cryo ship". If the ship's crew goes into hibernation (eg Alien), does that count? How about ships where a small number of passengers (instead of the thousands that you'd expect from, say, a colony ship) hibernate during transport (eg The Fifth Element, even though the trip there was mentioned at one point to be all of four hours)?
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
The Alien example surely belongs. It has some iconic images of long-term frozen hibernation during space travel. I see no problem including ships where a skeleton crew is awake to look after the cargo (A Deepness In The Sky, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.)
A simple definition would be:
- Cyro Ship: A spaceship where all or most of the passengers and/or crew travel as Human Popsicles.
(Not sure about Red Dwarf — it wasn't intended to be a Cyro Ship, but Lister ended up as the sole frozen survivor. The Fifth Element seems like a secondary example at best; some people were frozen but it was more just a motif they threw in for fun.)
edited 3rd Jan '11 11:57:36 PM by Camacan
Currently the article seems to cover both actual Generation Ships (ships where people reproduce over several generations) and Cryo Ships (ships with Human Popsicles in it). I think we should split them and correct links to them.
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