Not Different At All.: Our Goat People Are Different

I take this as a good example of a bad snowclone use. This is just Fauns and Satyrs: Fauns and Satyrs have certain properties, here they are, they appear in these works, thank you and good night.

edited 16th Oct '10 5:50:49 AM by SomeSortOfTroper

So what needs repairing?

Name. Just the name. I don't see evidence that anyone thought that it fit the Our Monsters Are Different idea, it just fell into an old format out of a lack of attention to this point.

Fauns and Satyrs would be the general trope then or is it about treating them differently?

No, it's just Fauns and Satyrs and they've been tied together and fairly consistent for a couple of thousand years.

I had a minor complaint about somebody listing Dragon Quest VIII as an example during its YKTTW.

The "Different" snowclone family, like the "Everything's Better" family, are not synonyms for "Hey, this work has ______'s appearing in it!" If a work has certain things appearing in it for no purpose, that starts encroaching on chairs territory.

Well as I wrote on Index of Fictional Creatures, a made up creature forms a trope just because it is a fictional bag of qualities that people decided to reuse over and over again. A rustic or pastorally inclined man-goat is a trope.

If it's specifically fauns and satyrs, then using the moniker "goat people" is problematic as well, since not all goat people are necessarily fauns or satyrs. Depictions of satan or demons in christian mythology would often qualify as "goat people" (though I suppose some connection to fauns/satyrs is debatable), as well as anything that happens to be some form of anthropomorphic goat. A few of the examples would appear to reflect this confusion.

There's also the fact that fauns/satyrs are sometimes (albeit very rarely) portrayed as part deer (or antelope).

i assumed the trope was about fauns and satyrs presented differently than we're used to. isn't that what this snowclone family is about?

^^ going with what i just said, those depictions of satan or demons would count as a good example of this trope— unlike actual goats and fauns on whom the "current" idea of goat people is founded.

^ Another good point. Satyrs specifically originate from goat-people, but fauns can be part deer. Y'know, that "Faun" <- -> "fawn" thing.

^^ That's what the snowclone family is meant to be about and that's the issue I raise- this trope isn't really that.

Fauns and faunlike creatures appear across several ancient cultures with a commonality of being a rustic and pastoral deity or animus followers of thus deity with horned animal features. Satyrs and Pan, Fauns and Faunus, that... celtic one I forget the name of, that other celtic one I forget the name of. That's the trope.

PS: No, Fauns were goats. Satyrs weren't very stable. There was a period over which local myths and depictions would amalgamate and Roman and Greek depictions would amalgamate. The reason why they are mentioned on this page are for the times in which they were half goat or half donkey and for the numerous post-renaissance stuff in which people ignored the ancient differences.

edited 18th Oct '10 2:46:45 PM by SomeSortOfTroper

going from my current knowledge of myths, when i see the title i go with the idea that fauns are very nature-oriented and like playing music. satyrs are pretty much The Same But More when it comes to sex drive. i would assume anything that's different from that would fall under this trope.

Why not just call it Fauns and Satyrs then?

Trope launcher and namer here.

I named it Our Goat People Are Different, because it seamed inconstant to name it Fauns and Satyrs when most of the other mythological creatures fall under the Our Tropes Are Different family.

I went with Our Goat People Are Different instead of Our Fauns And Satyrs Are Different, because Our Fauns And Satyrs Are Different seamed to imply that the trope was about how Fauns and Satyrs are different from each other, when the trope I had in mind was about chronicling them appearing in works.

I am fine with renaming it to Fauns and Satyrs, but I think a lot of the other Our Tropes Are Different pages that have the same problem need to be renamed as well to be constant, as they seem to be more about chronicling various myths appearing in works, then they do about said myths being different from each other.

edited 18th Oct '10 6:22:42 PM by fawn

There's a thread here about those tropes. Some of them do what they're supposed to - Our Vampires Are Different and Our Werewolves Are Different are perfect examples - others... don't.

^^ I felt it was easier to do one just launched. The page is fresh from the moment of creation, the person who launched the page is more likely to return and spot the repair thread, the wicks are easier to deal with.

Not really true though about the number of monster tropes that fall into the name scheme. They are about, say, half of the Index of Fictional Creatures?

Makes sense.

Your right, for some reason I was thinking virtually ALL of the tropes were named like that. If there is no objections then I will go ahead and rename it.

edited 20th Oct '10 10:20:13 PM by fawn

OK we can close this one now then.

Thanks for changing all the wicks. I was intending to do that today, I did not mean to leave it all up to you.