Kyon: Big Damn Hero

'The case of the fan's explanations becoming Canon.'

Certainly applies more than the Negima thing I mentioned, that's more I Knew It!, even if it was likely the reason.

Noticed a small glitch on the K:BDH website archive(not FF.net, Durandall's site).

Was checking a couple things, opened up Chapter One(OAOEA, Chapter 1), and the "Next" link points to Chapter 3(SFEA, Chapter 1), instead of Chapter 2.

Also, the Excalibur in the Rust trope was added to the listing, but I'm not sure this counts. EITR is about a sword that looks ordinary or in disrepair, but actually has quite amazing powers. I don't think that Kyon's beam sword counts for this, because they didn't actually use the original blade(which probably got stashed back away somewhere), they only used the hilt from it. The listing says that "the sword actually is in a state of disrepair, to the point of being completely non-functional (only the hilt has survived)", which isn't quite true. The blade does still exist, it's just beyond repair. It's quite still there, and Kyon has to physically separate the blade from the hilt.

What does everyone else think?

edited 27th Apr '11 8:02:04 PM by thedarkfreak

I wouldn't count it regardless of the state of the sword itself. They just used part of it to make a beam weapon. It was just a sword to start with.

And Now For Something Completely Different...

I noted that a certain entry for the Mathematician's Answer trope is a bit off... This part in particular...

Wouldn't this mean that both Yuki and Kanae are giving an example of this trope?

Also...

Should that count towards the Insane Troll Logic trope?

edited 28th Apr '11 12:22:09 AM by MadKitsu

1) It seems so.

2) Ditto.

Another question...

Does this count as a Mathematician's Answer, or a different trope?

Or this, for that matter...

Definitely on the second. Maybe on the first. I'd keep it as is.

I'm pretty sure we already discussed the first one and it was told Nonoko was Denying The Antecedent.

@Filrean: Just for the record, where did you guys discuss about that, because, if it's in a forum somewhere, I want in, kitsu.

Also, should we add the "Denying The Antecedent" trope to the list?

My bad, it wasn't in the forum... it was in the main page history. Check the 8th Mar '11 edits.

(goes and checks)

...and after checking said edit logs, I found that it had already been listed by someone else...

This thread has been idle for too long. Time to fix that.

How much do you believe Tsuruya-sama knows about the supernatural? True, we've been shown twice Tsuruya thinking her father doesn't know the half of it but he Kyon has teleported a few times from/to Tsuruya's house and even once a maid brought him a pair of slippers (forgot chapter). As a comparation, think that Masao had some suspicions even before their meeting in the jail cell. CBS-1

edited 2nd May '11 2:10:07 PM by Filraen

IIRC, Tsuruya-sama financed the Agency prior to the begining of story in canon. In Error in Calculation, Durandall posited that the Agency took Tsuruya-sama into a Closed Space as a proof of the veracity of their claims, but he wasn't really impressed about it. Nevertheless, he still agreed to sponsor them after that and became one of their favoured contributors because he don't ask questions about their business in exchange for the same treatment about his.

My theory is that Tsuruya-sama has previous experience with the supernatural (maybe something related to Tsuruya's mother, conspicuously unmentioned until now) and that was one of the reasons why I WMG-ed so much about Shinobu some time ago.

I thought Kyon was teleported into the Tsuruya mansion, not Tsuruya-sama (that's how your post sounded).

Curse the ambiguity of the English language. It was Kyon who was teleported in and needed slippers.

I'm still a little uncertain how much Tsuruya knows about what's going on. I thought she was brought completely into the loop when she had her wrist healed after the window incident, but I might be missing something.

I believe it was Kyon and Mori who got Tsuruya up to speed. IIRC, this is everything Tsuruya doesn't know about:

• Safe-mode!Haruhi
• Adult!Asahina and the boy with glasses
• Detailed information about The Vanishment (4th novel) and Asakura.
• Hanyuu and the Hinamizawa Syndrome
• Groundhog Day Loops: Endless Eight and Higurashi
• The supernatural side of various incidents from the novels: The Sighs (the movie), The Boredom (baseball game), Mystérique sign, Wandering Shadow (Sakanaka's dog), Love at First Sight (Nakagawa), Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, etc.
• Kyon's cousin

Funny random thought: Ironically enough, Tsuruya, de jure and de facto next leader of a powerfull Yakuza group, is potentially the least dangerous of all Kyon's girlfriends.

IMO, the "danger ranking" goes like this:

Currently:
Safe-mode!Haruhi > Yuki > Haruhi > Tsuruya > Mikuru > Kanae

In the future:
Haruhi > Yuki > Kanae > Mikuru > Tsuruya

edited 2nd May '11 12:18:31 PM by Specular2

Why do you rank future!Kanae as more dangerous than future!Mikuru?

@Marq FJA: After the Continuity Cameo in Later, I have the theory that Kanae's sliding, as a spacetime warping technique, can be used as a time-traveling method.

Ooooohhhh. I thought "dangerous" as in "'dangerous' to Kyon", not "dangerous to anyone who messes with the SOS Brigade".

I don't know how dangerous I would rate time travel in this setting. It seems like it's required that everything involves a stable time loop, so anything you'd want to change is already too late to change.

Well, it seems like bad things can happen if you meet yourself. And the only reason that stable time loops occur is because everyone is following the rules to make sure that it doesn't happen.

Ok, it's dangerous enough to break reality, but I was more talking about being able to use it to ruin the day of somebody in particular. Due to requirement for time loops to be stable, it seems rather limited in what you can do with it offensively.

It is very dangerous as the mere capability to do so allows them to have already ruined your day.

Or not that. When has anybody changed the timeline in either canon or this story? It seems to just stick to "make sure events happen as they should after we are aware of them" rather than a more Bill and Ted style "remember to go back and hide a trash can in the rafters right above where he's standing" sort of approach.

I don't think there has been any case of that occurring that was told. So we can't know the consequences, beyond massive info-quakes, and Paradox solving. I don't think the whole, if it happens, you trash the universe, because if Haruhi was the one who made the time travel rules(very likely), she wouldn't want the whole destruction of the universe to happen. Maybe the people involve go through an adventure to right the wrongs.