Wait, what? Why does Rome have to be besieged twice to be taken?
I mean that's super handy, but how does that work?
Would that it were so simple.
Rome has a city garrison and a garrison on the Capitoline Hill, Rome's civic structure which is fortified, like a bastion that holds out while the city around it falls. It's there to simulate how Rome could be taken and sacked by enemy arms, a la Brennus, but it could never be held.
Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Aug 10th 2018 at 10:34:33 AM
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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...well I know where my weekend is going now.
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Ah, cool.
So can you not still yell Roma Invicta! in that time because the Gauls obviously sacked the city, or does it not count because the Gauls didn't manage to truly control the entirety of the city and hold in their own authority?
Damn, Rise of The Republic sounds super cool.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
I'd say so, yes. They occupied the city at least until help came.
So I used rorariis again in battle but this time I kept in mind the advice I had received and used them to attack slingers while my actually decent melee units (principes and hastaii) fought the enemy hand to hand.
And it actually seemed to be working well!
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Until I looked over and saw that a unit of rorarii was fighting a unit of slingers hand to hand and was losing. At this point I won the battle and promptly deleted them.
Honestly my biggest issue with rorarii is that if they were clearly labeled as trash it would be one thing but IIRC the game calls them "medium spear men" and frankly that brings to mind a lighter version of triarii not the awfulness that they are.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 10th 2018 at 2:09:20 PM
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Ok yeah, they definitely shouldn't be losing to slingers in a close-combat if the numbers are remotely equal. Were the slingers up in numbers by some tens? Were the Rorarii exhausted (because slingers and other skirmishers units tend to be resistant to the penalties of fatigue)? That's about all I can guess would cause the Rorarii to be losing to them - who should have enough of an advantage in melee attack, defence and armour to usually win, but these are my guesses as to how they could have lost, because their edge over slingers in melee isn't even as big as, say, a Hastati over the Rorarii.
Also, you do use Square with them right? They're not a great unit, but Square is still a very nice ability until the unit goes down into the 40-numbers and can no longer form Square.
Edited by VutherA on Aug 10th 2018 at 2:38:25 PM
Would that it were so simple.
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Details are sketchy about what happened with Brennus. The story is that Camillus actually arrived right as Brennus declared "Vae victis" and forced the Romans to pay more gold with heavier weights, and declared, "Not through gold, but through steel will the fatherland be reclaimed!" He then attacked the Gauls and crushed them.
That's what Plutarch claimed. In actuality, Brennus's army was probably dying of malaria and had to get out of dodge fast. Camillus, if he did counterattack, probably got them on the march home.
Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Aug 10th 2018 at 2:50:05 PM
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Also, you do use Square with them right? They're not a great unit, but Square is still a very nice ability until the unit goes down into the 40-numbers and can no longer form Square.
All fair questions, both sides were depleted and they weren't losing decisively.
Still they occupy a unit slot that would be far better used by a hastai/principes or velites or equites.
I've used their square formation, it's ok but IMO doesn't justify their presence. Especially not when I can easily afford triarii.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 10th 2018 at 3:27:56 PM
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Yeah, Square is great, but that's still a case of a lousy unit it's attached to. If you can afford otherwise, you can definitely notice the extra cost going into effectiveness. I would definitely say to build an Auxiliary line of barracks building somewhere around Greece to get Hoplites if you want cheaper-than-Triarii but effective spearmen - and Hastati or Principes can still handle earlier cavalry fine all right anyway.
Would that it were so simple.
You should get the Auxiliary Barracks IV in Athens ASAP, because then you can recruit Cretan archers, easily the best skirmisher infantry in the game. I typically Zerg Rush Greece with Legions I through IV so I can outfit them all with those sweet archers.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Ah I hadn't thought of that, I'll do that when I get around to conquering Greece.
Hmm, I had initially planned to have Athens as a client state but this is extremely convincing considering how awesome Cretan archers were in Rome 1. In that case I think I'll conquer it once I'm done conquering Carthage and Raetia et Noricum.
This is unrelated but I have to say I'm really loving how projectiles from ranged units are very visible, now I can actually see what my ranged units are attacking!
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 10th 2018 at 4:47:25 AM
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Roman mettle and discipline isn't why Rome conquers everything. It's using those sweet, sweet Auxiliary barracks to get nearly anything they don't have already!
Cringe but free
Buckle up, boys and girls, it's time to meet the Tiger of Jiangdong.
Would that it were so simple.
Awesome. Glad to see more Three Kingdoms news.
Anyway, back to ROTR: gotta give an "Ave!" to my main men, the town garrison of Ostia. Four units of Accensi, one Centuria, two units of light hoplites, two units of Latin spearmen, and two units of Italian cavalry up against two Veiian armies and a small navy — 1500 against 5000, my consular tribune commanding — in a small un-walled town. Managed to win with an absurd casualty ratio of like 200 to 3800 by pinning the Veiente army in a narrow street, and swinging my cavalry behind them. I had them hiding in the woods for most of the battle so that Veii would over-commit to breaking my spear wall.
Totally broke Veii's power in that battle. My main army under Camillus took Veii the next turn, then swung down and took Cisra with minimal resistance.
Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Aug 13th 2018 at 10:08:43 AM
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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P.S: That girly looking guy is Zhou Yu. Sun Shangxiang would probably prefer a more tomboyish look. Zhou Yu's Bishonen-ness is like inherent to any portrayal of him.
Nick Hodges of History Buffs played a demo of Total War Three Kingdoms.
PS:Turns out that lady General in the Sun Trailer is Lady Sun Ren and not some pretty boy.
Cringe but free
Yeah, I don't think Tony Leung's Zhou Yu in Red Cliff looked like a girl, either. Neither did Victor Huang's version in the 2010 Romance of the Three Kingdoms.
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Even more stuff on 3K's heroes
I also have tragic news on naval battles.
Edited by VutherA on Aug 16th 2018 at 7:36:20 AM
Cringe but free
@Naval battles: y tho
I mean, even Thrones of Britannia has naval battles, and it's not a main title. And this isn't Warhammer, so they don't get to say that Zhuge Liang owns the rights this time.
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On a different note, Action Girl generals are confirmed to exist in 3K.
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Okay. But I don't think Diaochan would be in.
Rise of the Republic has been great fun, especially now that I've ironed out an opening strategy for Rome. Probably the best campaign I've played. I love playing as a Rome that isn't well-situated to just steamroller its enemies. It has to work for that.
Anyway, I spent the first thirty or so turns just building up my resources. I always kept Camillus with a full stack just outside of Ostia, since Roma herself needs to be besieged twice to be taken. Unfortunately, the Sabines took Veii before I could get there, but I ended the war by taking the port at Cisra and establishing an overland trade link to Tarchuna. The war with the Volsci was successful. I kept two half stacks of Latin spearmen and slingers within reinforcement range of each other and of Ostia. The Volsci made another push for Ostia, but I broke their army and killed three of their generals outside Rome. Then swung my main army under Camillus through their frontier, taking their towns and farms so that Antium would starve ahead of my siege.
Razing towns is pretty much essential in ROTR. Dismantling structures costs money you don't have, but razing destroys them automatically, allowing you to rebuild it as a Roman settlement. And it gives you 1000-2000 talents at a time when that's a fortune.
Research-wise, I've been power-leveling to the Reforms of Camillus. Once I have the manipular legion, it'll be a little easier to hold territory.
Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Aug 10th 2018 at 10:38:23 AM
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."