Total War: General discussion.

Star Wars Empire At War is probably the closest thing we'll get.

Frankly I don't think the Total War series really works with that kind of warfare.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jul 31st 2018 at 2:58:10 PM

Aaay, in another Rome II playthrough — gotta practice for the new DLC — I got ambushed by two full stack Athenian armies outside of Apollonia. My general got killed in the first minute and I sacrificed two units of triarii so that my army could beat a fighting retreat to the edge of the map and dig in in front of a mountain. Managed to distract the army for fifteen minutes by harrying their skirmishers with my Equites, then formed a battle line of mixed principes and hastati — which actually managed to hold off the Athenians because by the time they reached me, they were exhausted while my troops were fresh. And I managed to inflict more casualties on them.

Had to give up Epidamnos, but at least I kept my favorite legion, Legio II Equestris — with max experience troops — intact. I retook the place in the next turn.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Jul 31st 2018 at 3:12:58 PM

Indeed. Total War doesn't really work with grand-scale warfare over miles of battle zone. Stuff like Napoleon or if we get something like that, a Renaissance Total War is the biggest we'll get in terms of scale. It's probably also why we won't get a Warhammer 40K Total War.

As for Rome, I'll probably pick it up again and do a Macedon campaign. I'll become a second Alexander, one that will actually keep my Empire under control.

Edited by theLibrarian on Jul 31st 2018 at 3:26:46 AM

Obviously I would need to consider fort because... those buildings you said? I usually ran out of slots to build them.

And yeah, I'm starting to feel the effect of Realm Divide. Chosokabe popped into my base at Miyagi with full on squad (and a naval escort!). Thankfully there's a small, untrained squad, but there's also a monk and a newbie ninja... But here's the problem: My front containing my daimyo and heir (Harumune and Terumune) are attacked in two fronts. Harumune and Terumune each have an admirable amount of troops, but... if left in auto, I'm gonna die.

... This is one of those days I'm going to regret not to build my army properly.

Also it's 1575 and Date Masamune (born 1567) does not exist in my verse.

Edited by ChrisX on Jul 31st 2018 at 9:13:37 PM

More from the Allegiance beta for Thrones of Britannia. Most significantly, War Fervour is being removed while "Decrees" ala Warhammer II's Rites is being implemented and the English are getting a Burghal system causing additional effects based off of tax level.

Ok, that's odd, because I definitely remember waiting for Terumune to kick the bucket for Masamune to take over. Terumune is married and has had children, right?

Edited by VutherA on Aug 2nd 2018 at 1:01:23 PM

Not with Yoshihime because I kicked the Mogami ass first.

I'll admit I didn't know who his mother was very well...but that would strike me as a likely cause to Date Masamune's non-existence.

Doing a Skaven Mortal Empires run with Queen now. Finding it difficult to make much headway against all the forces rushing at me, but so far I’m managing to hold my own, and thankfully Skaven units are cheap enough that the only thing that will run me out of money is recruiting units.

I guess I really have to play in a Skaven-like mindset, just pumping out armies and swarming people with them.

All wives are random too, so there is a chance you don't get to see some notable historical people. Like I don't think I saw Oda Nobunaga

Huh, that's weird. Nobunaga is supposed to be a teenager at the start of the campaign. Maybe he just got killed off early.

Latter era people that wasn't born during the early days of maybe Shingen-Ujiyasu-Yoshimoto era have a chance to not exist. I googled and confirmed that these are all based on RNG.

That being said, the Chosokabe first squad got held up, attrited and died. But then they come with another big squad. Though at least I managed to hold off Mino and Owari. It's a good thing that they were so close that I could just send reinforcement, let one town get taken over, and then retake it.

I counted that I have 24 provinces. Getting rid of Oda will bring the number to 30. I may also want to take care of the navy, because this constant raids on my trade route and then landing to Miyagi is pissing me off.

Also the Miyoshi clan rose once again after being subdued by Chosokabe... and then they immediately become best buds and "Let's go kill that Date!".

Dastard.

Edited by ChrisX on Aug 2nd 2018 at 9:16:05 PM

Okay, Last Defenders made peace with me. Now I'm at war with the Tomb Kings because Khemri declared war on me and I want to get the Karak that's the primary settlement of the Southern World Edge Mountains. One Khemri city and one Dune Kings city are currently under siege and my capital is capable of producing pretty much every single type of unit available to us.

Edited by theLibrarian on Aug 2nd 2018 at 11:16:42 AM

The year is... 1583, I think. And now, I have surrounded Kyoto with 39 provinces, ready to finally kick Ashikaga ass!

...Except the Kyoto citadel is a pain in the ass to siege. Seriously, it's surrounded with water and there are a lot of archer towers! I might as well just do a prolonged siege and be done with it...

Normally I put them to siege and then let them sally out; found that a less costly and more effective way to do it.

Tried again and my army wiped out most of their army in the first skirmish. Move forward a bit, took Kyoto... and Harumune breathed his last, dying due to natural causes, and it's Terumune's time to be the daimyo. Held Kyoto for 1 year and...

DATE-GUN DAISHOURI!!!!

So that leaves my playthrough still open in case I want to kick that pesky Chosokabe for trying to drop into my land via sea. And Otomo too I guess.

Edited by ChrisX on Aug 4th 2018 at 7:28:52 PM

YOU'REAMAZING

Yikes, Rise of the Republic is hard. Rome has one of the worst starting positions in the game. I curbstomp one army, another one shows up right after.

On the plus side, I won a battle where Camillus personally killed a thousand guys. What a badass.

It's also really weird seeing a tech tree where the hastati-principes-triarii manipular legion is considered the pinnacle of Roman military organization. They start out fielding hoplites, a great example of Shown Their Work.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Aug 9th 2018 at 8:48:28 AM

I've recently bought Rome 2 and it's been amazing, but I have one question.

What's the point of rorarii? They just seem so trashy, out of my battles they (alongside Velites) are like 95% of my routers. At this point I'm just using hastati+principes+triarii and they don't really seem to have a use.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 9th 2018 at 9:10:12 AM

As previously implied, Rise of the Republic is out, and so is the Ancestral update.

Uh, you want to garrison a town but don't expect to actually have the army fight or something, I guess.

Seriously. Rorarii are like those Town Watch units in the original Rome. They're meant to garrison towns, not really fight in pitched battles.

The Spear Auxilia are a much better version of them.

Rorarii are for padding out an army in an area that doesn't have a barracks. They're cannon fodder, good for holding a chokepoint or hill, acting as a hinge for the rest of your army to sweep through and flank the enemy. By the time they route, the enemy army should be battered and surrounded, ideally.

I might want to give Rise of the Samurai next, probably on the Kamakura Minamoto due to how much well known names there (Minamoto no Yoritomo, Minamoto no Yoshitsune... I know I won't be getting Benkei), considering that while I know there's Tomoe Gozen, being a wife really limits her options and she can't get on the battlefield.

So... any differences between vanilla campaign and Rise of the Samurai campaign?

New update for Rome II, eh?

Well, guess I'll be staying on patch 19 for now. (*Opts back to patch 19*) Yeah, I know I'm one of those who advocated for the return of the family tree, but I'll wait and stay on a relatively stable patch until CA fixes any bugs that will surely come up as a result of implementing patch 20.

I just hope some of the mods I use are still backwards-compatible with patch 19 even if they get updated for those who want to play patch 20.

In RotS, arrows are especially powerful as all units generally have have less armour, so you definitely don't want your troop movement having to change while under fire because that probably means something is going to be shot to pieces. You know Realm Divide? An essentially similar event occurs far sooner, the Genpei War, causing all the major clan groups (which is to say, aside from brother clans) to declare war on each other. However, plain conquering with steel and blood will cause you trouble - not only is it unlikely your forces will manage to live through fighting off your many enemies and still invade a lot of territory, the allengiance system akin to religion will keep territory supporting different clans unruly for a long time until you use buildings or agents to bring them on your side...and conventional conquering will piss off anyone who isn't at war with you too.

Thus, you must garner territory primarily through the use of Junsatsushi agents converting the territory and then performing an action on it to get it to join you. The aforementioned war in general will make the use of all of your agents a lot more vital, because it's not going to be feasible to hire enough troops to totally handle the war the old-fashioned way.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 10th 2018 at 9:30:35 AM