Final Fantasy general

Auron says in one of the optional chats you can have with him that he doesn't believe Mika will agree with Seymour's goal. Also when you defeat Yunalesca Mika freaks out and says "I have no desire to watch Spira die" before sending himself.

The Maesters, even Kelk, agree that Mika is sort of an exception. He's too valuable to let die. But tehre's a long way to go from there to "everyone should be dead." Plus Mika probably died of old age as opposed to being murdered like Seymour wants to do.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 11th 2019 at 4:20:42 AM

You know its always bugged me how like, little attention Seymour gets. Where does he rank among Final Fantasy's long history of antagonists?

I mean, I like Seymour. I think he contributes a lot to the setting and the fact he and the heroes basically want the same thing but in very different ways is interesting.

But he's pretty unpopular in my experience. I attribute this to the following: 1) He's viewed as superfluous. The game is about Sin, not him. 2) Related to 1 but still distinct is the fact he's not viewed as a threat. By the final fight both the players and heroes are just annoyed with him. If he ever was intimidating or impressive, that fades very fast. 3) His design is peak Nomura excess. FFX's character designs are one of its greatest failings and Seymour is a huge victim of this.

But I like him, as I said. His VA doesn't get enough credit either. "Ah, of course.'Protect the summoner even at the cost of one's life.' The Code of the Guardian. How admirable. Well, if you're offering your lives, I will have to take them."

It's like a Kuja line it's so good.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 11th 2019 at 5:17:51 AM

Sin is basically more of a force of conflict rather than an antagonist. The real antagonist is the system that allows Sin to continue existing.

Yeah, and even then, S3ymour is waaaaay more an antagonost than Jecht is.

I admit with no shame that the main thing keeping me from liking FFX is that the character designs are absolutely silly.

I think cut scene heaviness of the game put me off or something

The weirdness of the designs I liked. It helped to show how fantastical their world is.

Counterpoint: Lulu's dress belts.

They're one of my main criticisms of the game, but I really like XII which unfortunately has some rather bizarre character designs too, so who I am to talk?

I'm perfectly fine with silly designs in final fantasy games. They don't have to be realistic.

Dress. Belts.

I thought weird designs were part of the charm of eastern media. Like zippers in kingdom hearts, or belts in guilty gear.

Sometimes it can be, but not everyone likes that kind of excess.

Sorry but Nomuras made clear in an interview you complain about the belts he adds more.

The power of SPITE.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 11th 2019 at 6:07:45 AM

I unironically believe Cloud has a great design and he drove screws into his single shoulder pad for reasons I can't understand.

Tidus wears overalls that go down to his waist, pants with one missing leg, a hoodie that shrunk in the wash, and some red mesh-thing over a shoulder guard and glove. It's an absolute disaster of a design that on the scale of practical fantasy attire it's in the same ballpark as Luso.

Heck just googling to refresh myself on his design ended up pinging a fan redesign that's way better.

https://www.deviantart.com/tetsuya-the-wise/art/Tidus-754888755

Lulu's outfit stands out because she's one of the most covered up characters in the setting.

It especially looks out of place in Besaid, a tropical setting. And Besaid is her hometown.

Lulu and Auron are the only party members who actually look somewhat dressed appropriately for Mount Gagazet (barring Kimahri who has fur).

Edited by M84 on Jul 11th 2019 at 9:21:18 PM

That reminds me. I was laying out all the criticisms I have of FFX, both the big ones and small ones

Sure is strange Tidus needed fire in Baaj Temple but not on Gagazet. Also he's starving in the first couple hours of the game but never eats anything after that.

Maybe he just leveled up enough that he doesn't need warmth or nourishment as much.

Dunno if these are even minor criticisms, more just points of annoy ance when I think about them .They don't matter at all, really.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 11th 2019 at 6:25:38 AM

Lulu's character design is great. Honestly one of the best in JRPG history.

Auron also looks awesome, no question. A finely balanced take on the ronin archetype.

Tidus and Wakka are... Unique.

Yuna's funny because I used to find her design really striking but now that I know what a kimono is I just sort of see her as "Modified Shrine Maiden"

It's kind of hard to pin Rikku down since I'm honestly not sure where they where going with her.

Kimahri is a giant blue lion man.

I had an eyeroll moment in OO when Lulu describes someone (I forget who) as wearing a 'weird outfit'

Especially since Lulu's outfit is nothing like the rest of Spira's fashion sense.

Well for a more 'belt lite' take on Lulu's outfit Y'shtola's Shadowbringers outfit is perfect

Edited by Memers on Jul 11th 2019 at 8:27:06 AM

Night's Blessed have good taste in fashion for folks who don't care for material goods.

Also less... belts....

Thats the important part.

Edited by Memers on Jul 11th 2019 at 8:23:07 AM

The belt-skirt is awesome.

It's exactly the kind of weird shit a goth mage surrounded by swim jocks should wear.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Jul 11th 2019 at 11:24:28 AM