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Nikkolas from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Jul 11th 2019 at 4:17:20 PM

Auron says in one of the optional chats you can have with him that he doesn't believe Mika will agree with Seymour's goal. Also when you defeat Yunalesca Mika freaks out and says "I have no desire to watch Spira die" before sending himself.

The Maesters, even Kelk, agree that Mika is sort of an exception. He's too valuable to let die. But tehre's a long way to go from there to "everyone should be dead." Plus Mika probably died of old age as opposed to being murdered like Seymour wants to do.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 11th 2019 at 4:20:42 AM

CountofBleck The Cyber champion rises from A world of lies and deception Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Cyber champion rises
Jul 11th 2019 at 4:57:25 PM

You know its always bugged me how like, little attention Seymour gets. Where does he rank among Final Fantasy's long history of antagonists?

Nikkolas from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:16:18 PM

I mean, I like Seymour. I think he contributes a lot to the setting and the fact he and the heroes basically want the same thing but in very different ways is interesting.

But he's pretty unpopular in my experience. I attribute this to the following: 1) He's viewed as superfluous. The game is about Sin, not him. 2) Related to 1 but still distinct is the fact he's not viewed as a threat. By the final fight both the players and heroes are just annoyed with him. If he ever was intimidating or impressive, that fades very fast. 3) His design is peak Nomura excess. FFX's character designs are one of its greatest failings and Seymour is a huge victim of this.

But I like him, as I said. His VA doesn't get enough credit either. "Ah, of course.'Protect the summoner even at the cost of one's life.' The Code of the Guardian. How admirable. Well, if you're offering your lives, I will have to take them."

It's like a Kuja line it's so good.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 11th 2019 at 5:17:51 AM

GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows?
Formerly G.G.
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:32:11 PM

Sin is basically more of a force of conflict rather than an antagonist. The real antagonist is the system that allows Sin to continue existing.

"This slime is the face of Dragon Quest!"
CountofBleck The Cyber champion rises from A world of lies and deception Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Cyber champion rises
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:34:42 PM

Yeah, and even then, S3ymour is waaaaay more an antagonost than Jecht is.

RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:38:20 PM

I admit with no shame that the main thing keeping me from liking FFX is that the character designs are absolutely silly.

Ultimatum ◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:40:00 PM

I think cut scene heaviness of the game put me off or something

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Jul 11th 2019 at 5:43:02 PM

The weirdness of the designs I liked. It helped to show how fantastical their world is.

RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:45:50 PM

Counterpoint: Lulu's dress belts.

Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:46:56 PM

I admit with no shame that the main thing keeping me from liking FFX is that the character designs are absolutely silly.

They're one of my main criticisms of the game, but I really like XII which unfortunately has some rather bizarre character designs too, so who I am to talk?

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Demongodofchaos2 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:50:25 PM

I'm perfectly fine with silly designs in final fantasy games. They don't have to be realistic.

RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
CountofBleck The Cyber champion rises from A world of lies and deception Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Cyber champion rises
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:56:38 PM

I thought weird designs were part of the charm of eastern media. Like zippers in kingdom hearts, or belts in guilty gear.

Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Jul 11th 2019 at 5:57:35 PM

Sometimes it can be, but not everyone likes that kind of excess.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Jul 11th 2019 at 6:07:23 PM

Sorry but Nomuras made clear in an interview you complain about the belts he adds more.

The power of SPITE.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jul 11th 2019 at 6:07:45 AM

RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Jul 11th 2019 at 6:10:41 PM

I unironically believe Cloud has a great design and he drove screws into his single shoulder pad for reasons I can't understand.

Tidus wears overalls that go down to his waist, pants with one missing leg, a hoodie that shrunk in the wash, and some red mesh-thing over a shoulder guard and glove. It's an absolute disaster of a design that on the scale of practical fantasy attire it's in the same ballpark as Luso.

Heck just googling to refresh myself on his design ended up pinging a fan redesign that's way better.

https://www.deviantart.com/tetsuya-the-wise/art/Tidus-754888755

M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Jul 11th 2019 at 6:18:31 PM

Lulu's outfit stands out because she's one of the most covered up characters in the setting.

It especially looks out of place in Besaid, a tropical setting. And Besaid is her hometown.

Lulu and Auron are the only party members who actually look somewhat dressed appropriately for Mount Gagazet (barring Kimahri who has fur).

Edited by M84 on Jul 11th 2019 at 9:21:18 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Nikkolas from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Jul 11th 2019 at 6:24:24 PM

[up] That reminds me. I was laying out all the criticisms I have of FFX, both the big ones and small ones

Sure is strange Tidus needed fire in Baaj Temple but not on Gagazet. Also he's starving in the first couple hours of the game but never eats anything after that.

Maybe he just leveled up enough that he doesn't need warmth or nourishment as much.

Dunno if these are even minor criticisms, more just points of annoy ance when I think about them .They don't matter at all, really.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 11th 2019 at 6:25:38 AM

ShirowShirow Gated Tail from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Gated Tail
Jul 11th 2019 at 7:24:40 PM

Lulu's character design is great. Honestly one of the best in JRPG history.

Auron also looks awesome, no question. A finely balanced take on the ronin archetype.

Tidus and Wakka are... Unique.

Yuna's funny because I used to find her design really striking but now that I know what a kimono is I just sort of see her as "Modified Shrine Maiden"

It's kind of hard to pin Rikku down since I'm honestly not sure where they where going with her.

Kimahri is a giant blue lion man.

Bleye knows Sabers.
asterism Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Jul 11th 2019 at 7:51:26 PM

I had an eyeroll moment in OO when Lulu describes someone (I forget who) as wearing a 'weird outfit'

Parade's Lust
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Jul 11th 2019 at 7:56:16 PM

Especially since Lulu's outfit is nothing like the rest of Spira's fashion sense.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Jul 11th 2019 at 8:14:28 PM

Well for a more 'belt lite' take on Lulu's outfit Y'shtola's Shadowbringers outfit is perfect

Edited by Memers on Jul 11th 2019 at 8:27:06 AM

Jul 11th 2019 at 8:17:30 PM

Night's Blessed have good taste in fashion for folks who don't care for material goods.

Jul 11th 2019 at 8:18:31 PM

Also less... belts....

Thats the important part.

Edited by Memers on Jul 11th 2019 at 8:23:07 AM

ShirowShirow Gated Tail from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Gated Tail
Jul 11th 2019 at 8:24:14 PM

The belt-skirt is awesome.

It's exactly the kind of weird shit a goth mage surrounded by swim jocks should wear.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Jul 11th 2019 at 11:24:28 AM

Bleye knows Sabers.

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