Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the new Complete Monster (CM) cleanup thread! This thread is where we clean up or cut already-existing entries.
If you're looking to add new entries, please see the approval thread.
IMPORTANT: Before you begin any discussions on this thread, please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List. Here, you'll find explanations of the criteria for the trope as well as our rules/procedures for approving and cutting candidates.
What goes through this thread?
- Cut requests. If you believe a CM has been approved and they do not count, this thread is where you propose their removal. To know how to go about this, please see the FAQ folder on the Administrivia page, where the process is explained in detail.
- If we ever need to consider cutting multiple examples without individually reviewing them (e.g. if we discover widespread plagiarism with a particular troper's CMs), the initial discussion will be on this thread and we'll then escalate to the mod team (as described here) to get a formal consensus if we decide to recommend a mass cut.
- If an entry was put on the wrong subpage/YMMV page, you may propose where they should be moved to.
- Full rewrites of existing entries, including expansions, trims, and ground-up rewrites. If your rewrite is approved by the thread, feel free to add it to the drafts page so that other users can check grammar and the like before it is included with the rest of the weekly swaps.
- If an entry on a work's YMMV page doesn't match the entry on the media subpage, you can bring it here to discuss which entry works better.
What does not go through this thread?
- New candidate proposals - as stated before, those are done on this thread.
- Unapproved wicks - if a Troper encounters either of these kinds of wicks, they can be cut with no approval.
- Any CM link on a non-YMMV page - as a YMMV trope, it should not be linked on those pages regardless of any cleanup effort. The only exception is if the wick is being used within the definition of another trope.
- If an CM link on a YMMV page refers to an unapproved character. If it refers to an approved character on any such page, the wick can stay. On the other hand, if the unapproved character being linked to sounds like they might have promise (and you don't feel like checking it out for yourself), feel free to mention it on the approval thread - someone may already know why they don't count, or it could invite a brand new discussion!
- Proposals for images, quotes, and videos of already-approved CMs - quotes and images are proposed on the approval thread, while videos can be uploaded normally as they are screened for approval by the moderation.
- Crosswicking examples to YMMV pages - if an example has already been approved and added to the main page, you do not require any special permission to add the example to a work's YMMV page (assuming the work has a page already). If a YMMV page doesn't exist yet, then you can make it yourself, but either way, feel free to just add the example without asking.
- Small changes to existing entries - these can simply be done on a Troper's own prerogative with no approval.
- Spelling and grammar fixes.
- Pothole changes.
- Minor rewordings.
- Spoiler tags.
While these changes do not require any kind of approval, it is requested that should you make any of these changes, you do one of the following:
- Make the same changes on the relevant Sandbox page, then add the Sandbox to the list at the bottom of the drafts page. This will add the Sandbox to the weekly swaps and ensure that the edits end up on the relevant locked page. If the Sandbox is already listed, then once you make the edits, your job is already done!
- If you don't know how the Sandboxes work or simply don't have the time to find it, then you can simply post on the thread about the changes you made. Someone else can then make the edit on the relevant Sandbox and add it to the weekly swaps.
- Alternatively, you can simply request that the change be made directly to the locked page on the Locked Pages thread. Members of this thread keep track of that one, so we will ensure that the changes are made in the Sandbox so that it doesn't get deleted during the next swap.
Again, these changes don't require any approval, but we prefer to keep the entries on the YMMV pages and the locked pages the same in order to avoid any miscommunication or errors between entries, so if you do make the change, we would greatly appreciate it if you could ensure the change is made on the locked page as well.
As a final note, we do not care what other sites have to say regarding whether or not a character counts. We have our own criteria and they have theirs for their CM equivalents; while they are similar, they are not exactly the same and should not be treated as such. Another site removing a character from their equivalent should not be a reason why a cut is proposed here, and if this is the case, it will likely lead to mod intervention.
Other than this, once again, welcome to the cleanup thread, and we look forward to your contributions!
Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 14th 2024 at 11:30:03 AM
Who are your others? I may be able to offer second opinions beforehand.
Cut Carroll, I trust Duck with the Golden Age assessment and major approval of the Friend(s) change Rav!
So is Crow a consensus cut? I think I was the only one in favor of keeping.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsCurrent tally for Crow.
Keep: Mistaclean, ACW.
Abstain: Myself, Wet Flannels.
Cut: Lighty, Demon Duck, 43, Ravok, Mir, Master Joseph, Papyru, Skycat and Agent of Chaos. Edit: Bullman,Emperor Geode, and Snowy.
Edited by Beast on Dec 29th 2022 at 2:34:10 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."Btw SCP 4666 hasn't been taken off despite being listed on the Former CM page? And discussion concluded last week.
Edited by WetFlannels on Dec 29th 2022 at 10:19:50 AM
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.Was he an official cut?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsI can do a count on the discussion in this thread but I can't find the EP to compare it to.
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.Beast: I didn't really vote as my post was more just a question. Log me as a cut for Crow.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadOkay, yeah, that's enough to cut.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts@Wet Flannels: Looking for it now.
Edit: The Yule Man's original EP
Edited by Beast on Dec 29th 2022 at 2:30:57 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."Switch to cut for crow.
Yeah Crow doesn’t strike me as over the top horrible. Put me down as a cut
Edited by Snowy66 on Dec 29th 2022 at 2:32:36 AM
4666 Cut count, please correct me if you changed your mind or if I got confused. Major thanks Beast for linking the EP.
- Original EP:
- : Mir, G, Bullman, ACW, MGD, Duck, Kylo Trope (Snoketrope back then), Lighty, Pathetic King, Elfen Lied Fan 90, Kazuya Prota, hegelvonaxel, The Immortal Angel Newton, Tommy Fresh, lrrose, therealjackieboy (16)
- : -
- Abstain: -
- Rediscussion:
- Keep - Snoke, Beast, Wat, STAR (4)
- Cut - Me, Scraggle, 43, Lighty, Snowy, Mir, Ordeaux, Duck, G, Ravok, Agent Of Chaos, Totem Genitor, Purgatoryisof 2, Amanofmanyinterests, papyru30 (15)
- Abstain - Austin (1)
So he's a cut?
Edited by WetFlannels on Dec 29th 2022 at 10:44:36 AM
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.Switching for a cut on Crow.
Edited by MistaClean on Dec 29th 2022 at 2:43:32 AM
Yeah, that's enough people flipping to nos from 4666's original discussion he's lost his margin to keep.
Alright got one of my own candidates I think need cutting coming up (PM if curious) but just a question, is Warhammer alright in terms of not needing a relook? Just because I know that the heinous standard is one of the worst to discuss.
Edited by WetFlannels on Dec 29th 2022 at 10:58:01 AM
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.How many voted yes in the original EP but didn't vote in the current one?
EDIT: Come to think of it, there's enough to cut anyway. Request made.
As for Warhammer: I think we're good at least for 40k; don't know about the original.
Edited by ACW on Dec 29th 2022 at 5:58:29 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Draftsi think it is. If you are unsure about somebody feel free bring them up.
Don't forget to ask to remove the image as well.
No one in particular, I have literally no knowledge of the franchise except that you need quality and quantity of millions minimum to count.
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.Image removed.
The millions and millions is, AFAIK, only for 40k. Though for 40k, it's more measured in billions. Like, Strab has millions, and he's probably at the very bottom (and I voted no). The bigger ones like Bile and Abaddon have billions at a MINIMUM; shit, Abaddon probably reaches the TRILLIONS.
Edited by ACW on Dec 29th 2022 at 6:42:51 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM DraftsIm fine giving Crow and Joe a cut
Edited by G-Editor on Dec 29th 2022 at 3:34:53 AM
Cut Joe Carroll and Crow
Keep both Friends, who’s identities have now been spoiled for me. Should have read the series when I had the chance.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.Cut Joe Carroll and Crow.
Oh I forgot to mention this earlier but this is the first of several cuts of old candidates of mine I'm gonna do. I'll spread them out over the next few days so I can keep track easier.
Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Dec 29th 2022 at 1:54:10 AM