Five Nights at Freddy's Updating and Clean Up Effort

As I've said previously, the wiki operates on "unconfirmed until the work confirms explicitly". The Characters/ and YMMV/ defaulting to "Monty killed Bonnie" then phrasing other interpretations as alternatives of that aimply violates Speculative Troping.

Whatever happened in Tales from the Pizzaplex (if that what TalesGames mran because I haven't found anything else) remains in the books and according to Five Nights at Freddy's: Fazbear Frights the book series' continuity is questionable period.

Edited by Amonimus on Nov 22nd 2023 at 10:29:23 PM

& Glad to hear from you both. Do we need to do anything before taking action?

Tales being canon is pretty confirmed from everything I can see. I used to be more skeptical but after it was revealed that the only reason they changed the description was a marketing change and reading the books themselves, most of the 'inconsistencies' were just assumptions or explained in either the books or the games. And that was all before we got Ruin, which basically assumes whoever is playing has read Tales. Directly tying to it's main plot and including references that Tales explains.

Tales is just as canon as any of the games, the main difference is just medium.

In regards to if Monty killed Bonnie, I think it should be noted as the thing that's heavily implied, but note how it's not quite confirmed.

"Whatever happened in Tales from the Pizzaplex (if that what Tales Games mran because I haven't found anything else) remains in the books and according to Five Nights at Freddy's: Fazbear Frights the book series' continuity is questionable period."

This is for Fazbear Frights specifically. Tales is a different book series that should get its own page. Even the Frights page, on main and YMMV, goes into detail about how Tales is much more straightforwardly connected to the games then Frights.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 23rd 2023 at 3:28:53 AM

A lot of people would disagree with you about Tales. I want to point out that we never did find out why they changed the summary. They claim it was a "marketing change", but we never find out why. Everything they say about it is "On behalf of our marketing department", not something directly from Scott or anything.

Not to go into to great detail but these inconsistencies are anything but trivial. To name just one, according to The Storyteller and the Mimic, the former story has the Pizzaplex open around 2019. (The sixth game happened in 2023 and explicitly was before the Pizzaplex opened) At least one person (Siresquawks) has made a whole video about this.

As for Monty, regardless of what's most likely, it's incorrect that there's no evidance against Monty being the killer or that all evidance points to it being him.

We know exactly why the description was changed. The people who changed it told us why it was changed. And they explained that it was not changed to imply that the stories were not set in the universe in the games. I don't think we really need Scott himself to say anything, the people who changed it explained it.

The thing with Edwin's age is the only notable inconsistency. And frankly I would say that is rather trivial(Not to mention, Tales might be kond of contradicts itself on that front, so it's not a sign of differing continuities). I have seen the video by Sire Squawks, and most other videos. The points in them are easily explained by Tales itself, with either books at the time or books released after the video in question. For example he made a big deal about the storyteller tree not being in security breach, when it's later explained that the tree was removed..

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 23rd 2023 at 9:01:48 AM

Eh, we should err on the side of caution. Frankly, unless it gets definitively confirmed and is relevant to the stuff we're troping, we really don't need to be discussing the canonicity of Tales anyway. Isn't it just easier to say that whatever happens on the books goes to a page for those books, and the game stuff stays separate, and if details are eventually confirmed canon then we can discuss those specific details.

It's already very important to the stuff we are troping. Huge information about the protagonist in security breach, Gregory's character, his past as patient 46, was revealed in Tales. And the experiment theory about FNAF 4 finally got explicit confirmation in Tales. And it's where we get pretty much all our information on what the Mimic's deal is.

Huge plot points in the game continuity we're shown to us in Tales. They aren't really meant to be viewed as contained.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 23rd 2023 at 9:35:06 AM

But when we trope the games, we're not meant to be troping information that isn't available within the game. That's what I meant; a conclusive, obvious crossover (like Henry appearing in Pizza Sim). Because otherwise, we're no longer just troping Security Breach as a game.

I was more referring to tropes in general as opposed to say, the main page in security breach. If we just mean not to trope things there then that is fine. It doesn't happen within the base game so it doesn't show there.

What I mean is that the stories should still be troped like they are canon. If it reveals something about Freddy for example, it should go on Glamrock Freddy's sheet. But in terms of main pages they can stay separate, they are on different events after all.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 24th 2023 at 12:10:49 PM

Yeah, but what if it reveals something about Freddy and then the games proceed to completely contradict it?

I would say latest media takes precedent then. So far that has not really happened I think.

The problem is that the email doesn't address where "set in the world of the newest games" = "canon to the games". Again this wasn't from someone who was speaking for Scott or is at all involved in the creative process of the stories, this person was explicitly speaking on behalf of the marketing department, as opposed to Scott.

And I assure you the Edwin thing is NOT the only inconsistency and messing up the timeline like that is hardly trivial. I am currently attempting to compile them all but in the mean time I encourage you to search up what others have been saying about this. Siresquawks makes some good points besides that and is not the only person. I genuinely think it is impossible explain away the inconsistencies in Tales Games. There are too many.

This seems to be something a few people have some strong opinions on. How do we decide this?

Edited by CatcherInTheWry on Nov 24th 2023 at 11:10:59 AM

I don't we need Scott's word on the description thing. The folks that changed the description told us why the description changed. And we know that it was not because the old one was incorrect.

Edwin's age is the only notable inconsistency and it is very trivial. And again I think Tales itself is kind of inconsistent with itself on that. I have seen the video by Sire Squawks and many others who aren't sure on Tales Games. It's just that they aren't correct. All the 'inconsistencies' are explained away outside of that. And frankly, I think any debate one can have about any of it was ended with the release of Ruin.

Again, there was a point where I myself wasn't sold on Tales being in the games. I just had to accept I was wrong and then actually read the stories themselves and saw how the issues I had didn't really hold up.

Frankly the games themselves aren't totally consistent with each other. Ruin does some notable retcons to main security breach like where Bonnie's place was. So even if there were more little things like that, it does not mean they are separate continuity's.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 24th 2023 at 1:19:29 AM

On Tales being canon until/unless explicitly stated in the games themselves. Previous Word of God was that the books weren't canon and there's too much Continuity Snarl involved right now.

Edited by PhiSat on Nov 24th 2023 at 3:43:09 AM

Again...there really isn't much Continuity Snarl at all? Especially not compared to the ones in the game.

It's already pretty clear that they are supposed to be canonical. And again, we have it in the games too, Ruin I would say ended any shadow of a doubt.

Word of God was never that 'the books' as a whole were not canon. He made a single statement when the silver eyes released. And that was for specific reasons that he felt it was too convoluted to tell a story. And of course, the silver eyes also introduces clearly different versions of the characters and its own complete story at the time. Tales simply expands the characters as they are and does not really resolve its own plot points, leaving that for the games to continue.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 24th 2023 at 3:09:15 AM

Agree with snoke on tales being canon, as a fan of the franchise

Yeah I would also say the same for them when it comes to the tales from being considered canon.

Nope, sorry. Mostly because, again, Tales looks like it may be canon, and then BAM! Something happens to contradict the books.

That is a total hypothetical though? It hasn't really happened yet? And the most recent installment tied it more to Tales then ever before. So it doesn't look like it's gonna happen any time soon.

Maybe in the future if we get something legit totally contradictory we can talk then, but we have nothing like that now. We have major plot points being clarified within Tales and plot points introduced in Tales being shown in the games thanks to Ruin.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 24th 2023 at 5:07:05 AM

Just because it shares elements with the games doesn't make it canon. And someone who isn't involved with the actual stories saying something about an old summary isn't very compelling either.

'sharing elements' is stuff like, there being a Henry in TSE and a Henry in the games too. They have the same basic character, but are very different in terms of specifics. Henry in the novels has his own story and ends in a different way then the games.

Gregory in GGY is tying into specific things that are in the game and answering questions about the game.

And of course, none of those plot points are resolved within Tales itself. The Mimic ends up surviving the epilogues becomes a threat in the pizzaplex and there is no story detailing a defeat within Tales. The story with the kid in GGY and the virus he works for also goes nowhere within the books themselves.

Stuff like the silver eyes is written as it's own story with a self contained begining, middle then end. Tales is only written as supplementary to the games. The only difference between Tales itself and the mainline games is that Tales is a book series not a game.

And of course, we were told how they are set in the world of the latest games. That was changed later, but we were given an explanation on why and told how it was not to imply the original description was inaccurate.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 24th 2023 at 6:26:53 AM

Okay I just talked with Catcher on D Ms

Is it okay to wait until Help Wanted 2? That's only a couple weeks away and it should drop some big stuff. It will likely help with how to handle things.

I'm ok with waiting.

Yeah, let's just wait. That way we can truly know if Tales is canon or not.

Meanwhile can we not treat Monty as guilty? At the very least not say nothing points to his innocence since we know that isn't true?