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Since we have a thread discussing the video game industry, I thought it would be appropriate to have a thread discussing the practices and going ons of the film and tv industries. Especially in light of recent news surrounding the sets of Batwoman and Rust.

This will not be about films and tv shows but rather about the practices and behind-the-scenes news affecting the industries.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#76: Mar 2nd 2023 at 12:33:02 AM

     An article on problems regarding The Idol, a HBO Max series from Sam Levinson. There is some discussion of rape and sexual violence regarding a female character as well 
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Well, somewhat unsurprisingly, Sam Levinson’s next HBO series has devolved in “shitshow” featuring “torture porn” and copious amounts of female objectification. In a new report from Rolling Stone, The Idol, which was originally pitched as a gritty drama satirizing Hollywood exploitation and cultism, has apparently gone on to embody the exact kind of culture it initially pit itself against under the care of the Euphoria creator.

Interviews from 13 cast and crew members paint a story of financial carelessness, chaos on set, and creepy male behavior plaguing the production. The show, starring Lily-Rose Depp, Abel Tesfaye, a.k.a. The Weeknd, Dan Levy, Hari Nef, Troye Sivan, Rachel Sennott, Hank Azaria, and K-pop star Jennie Kim, seems to have even more problems than originally thought, costing HBO millions in the process.

Issues emerged early on the set of The Idol, as many felt director Amy Seimetz was set up to fail as she was given half-finished scripts, a tight filming schedule, and Euphoria-level expectations fit with music videos, expensive mansions, nightclubs, and stadiums.

“Amy was doing her best in an impossible situation, but she was going to lose this no matter what,” one production member says. “Honestly, I think HBO handed her a shit stack.”

Still, Seimetz worked with what she was given, completing 80 percent of the first season. However, in April of 2022, it was announced that Seimetz would leave the project, and Levinson would take over, starting from scratch.

“I went into The Idol thinking that this might be an interesting collaboration, but I left it pretty convinced that [Levinson] is not quite collaborative,” one source says. “It’s really frustrating seeing Amy doing her damn best to turn around some kind of product that she can be somewhat proud of to HBO… and then [for HBO] to turn around and have Sam get essentially a blank check to turn it into ‘Euphoria Season Three with pop stars’ is extremely, extremely frustrating.”

Reports on Seimetz’s departure illuminate a rather unsavory side of The Weeknd. Tesfaye, who’s attached to The Idol as its star, co-creator, and “co-writer,” reportedly felt the show leaned too much into the “female perspective,” and thought Seimetz was focusing too much on Depp’s character. Once Seimetz left the show, Levinson apparently had no problem tossing out its “feminist lens” and giving Tesfaye all the screen time he desired.

“It was like the Weeknd wanted one show that was all about him—Sam was on board with that,” a source tells Rolling Stone.

Once Levinson assumed complete control over the project, cast and crew members say the shooting schedule and script process never got any smoother. Production schedules and budgets ballooned, with most of the cast and crew left in the dark on day-to-day operations. Daily script revisions and reshoots made room for Levinson to “dramatically [ramp] up the explicit content.” Allegedly, scripts stopped going upstairs to HBO and department heads for approval.

Some of the script iterations from Levinson contained “contained disturbing sexual and physically violent” scenes, including one where Depp’s character begs to be raped by Tesfaye’s Tedros after she’s tasked with holding an egg in her genitals. In another, she’s beaten by the cult leader, who is aroused by the abuse. While interviewees say these scenes never went to film, they also are unsure of what will end up in the final cut due to the constant revisions.

“It was like any rape fantasy that any toxic man would have in the show—and then the woman comes back for more because it makes her music better,” one production member says of Levinson’s revisions.

It’s not surprising that the man who’s made his millions off of a show featuring teenagers experiencing cyclical substance and relational abuse, has a grim and frankly perverse approach to telling the story of an exploited young woman in the industry.

“It was a show about a woman who was finding herself sexually, turned into a show about a man who gets to abuse this woman and she loves it,” one source says.

Levinson’s affinity for nude scenes has been well-documented over the course of Euphoria’s production, with Sydney Sweeney admitting that she’s had to push back against him on unnecessary nudity, but says the director always heeded her calls. Similar to Euphoria, storytelling on The Idol has reportedly gone by the wayside in favor of sleek visuals and shock factor.

“It’s almost such an extreme that it’s like, there is no message,” one crew member says of The Idol. “There is no point. They’re just trying to see how much of a reaction they can get.”

On the other side, Depp calls Levinson “the best director” she’s ever worked with. In a statement to Rolling Stone, HBO says, “the creative team has been committed to creating a safe, collaborative, and mutually respectful working environment, and last year, the team made creative changes they felt were in the best interest of both the production and the cast and crew.”

There’s the ghastly nature of the storyline in The Idol, and then there are the grim financial movements happening behind the scenes. As Warner Bros. cries “tax write-offs” and the need to cut down costs, they’ve seemingly given Levinson a blank check. While Seimetz was given a small budget relative to the expectations of HBO, the company seemed fine with scrapping completed work and giving Levinson a budget of unknown proportions. One veteran crew member calls the excess spending “the most egregious I’ve ever witnessed in this business.”

“This was such a strong example of just how far [Levinson] can really push HBO and they will continue to cover [him] because he brings in money,” a second crew member adds. “He’s able to walk away unscathed and everybody still wants to work with him… People ignore the red flags and follow him regardless.”

There’s still no set release day for The Idol. It was expected to make its debut in the fall of 2022, following the finale of House Of The Dragon, but months later there’s still no premiere date. With any luck, this dismal project will never see the light of day.

https://www.avclub.com/hbo-the-idol-sam-levinson-script-changes-on-set-chaos-1850172985

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#77: Mar 21st 2023 at 2:23:12 AM

The Author of the Book That Inspired ‘Mean Girls’ Says She Hasn’t Been Properly Paid for Its Success

Rosalind Wiseman, the woman who wrote the book that inspired Mean Girls, is coming for Tina Fey after she alleges that what she was paid didn’t match the success of the 2004 film.

After multiple studios approached her about adapting her book Queen Bees and Wannabes, she decided to give the rights for a film (and any derivative works based upon the film, such as musicals) to Tina Fey and Paramount Pictures. However, she is now saying that despite contacting the studio several times about net profits—her contract stipulated that she would receive a portion of net profits from the film—they have told her that there are no profits and, therefore, nothing else she is owed.

In an interview with The New York Post, she said that she feels that she should be “compensated” for the film’s cultural impact. “For so long I was so quiet about it, but I just feel like the hypocrisy is too much. I think it’s fair for me to get compensated in some way for the work that has changed our culture.”

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#78: Mar 21st 2023 at 5:50:55 AM

Yeah this isn’t unusual - people will often be promised a share of the net profits to make them go away, and then thanks to creative accounting there are no net profits to be shared.

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#79: Mar 22nd 2023 at 12:49:03 AM

Also known as "Hollywood accounting".

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#80: Mar 22nd 2023 at 2:03:21 PM

Looks like the charges against Justin Roiland have been dropped.

On Twitter, Justin Roiland has released his first statement regarding the domestic battery case filed against him which led to his recent removal from several projects. Earlier this year, reports confirmed Adult Swim was parting ways with Roiland amid the legal case that dates back to August 2020. Until now, Roiland has remained quiet about the situation, but now the creator is addressing fans after his case was dismissed.

"I have always known that these claims were false — and I never had any doubt that this day would come. I'm thankful that this case has been dismissed but, at the same time, I'm still deeply shaken by the horrible lies that were reported about me during this process," Roiland wrote.

This statement comes months after NBC News reported on Roiland's legal situation in January 2023. It was there the public learned Roiland had been arrested in August 2020 and charged with felony domestic battery and false imprisonment in California. The creator's pre-trail was slated for late April 2023, but now Roiland says the legal matter has been dismissed.

After news of Roiland's situation went public, multiple people including those who worked with the Rick and Morty co-creator shared their experiences with Roiland. Evidence was shown alleging Roiland of predatory behavior, and this reckoning ultimately led to Adult Swim removing Roiland from its hit animated comedy. Roiland was then removed from his roles on Solar Opposites and Koala Man under 20th Television Animation, and his company Squanch Games confirmed the creator had resigned there as well.

At this time, there is no word on what Roiland's next plans will be. Rick and Morty is continuing on Adult Swim and will be recasting the roles Roiland voiced, namely Rick and Morty. Season 6 of Rick and Morty wrapped in December 2022 shortly before news of Roiland's legal situation was made public. Right now, Adult Swim is working on Rick and Morty season 7 as part of an episode order it made in May 2018.

Edited by windleopard on Mar 22nd 2023 at 10:05:57 AM

diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#81: Mar 22nd 2023 at 2:07:39 PM

Uh, just because charges were dropped that doesn't make you innocent, Justin. And there seems to be a lot of accounts of you being a creep, so...

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#82: Mar 22nd 2023 at 2:09:18 PM

Do we know why the charges were dropped?

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Shaoken Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#83: Mar 22nd 2023 at 5:40:31 PM

These kinds of charges are already hard to prosecute, given that almost three years has passed the DA might not have felt confident they could get a conviction

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#84: Apr 12th 2023 at 11:40:03 AM

Desperate for Profits and Souring on Streaming, Hollywood Falls Back in Love With Movie Theaters

Jeff Logan is feeling relieved.

For the first time since COVID shuttered movie theaters, business is booming, with audiences flocking to see “John Wick: Chapter 4,” “Scream VI” and, just last weekend, “The Super Mario Bros. Movie.” And Logan, who owns Logan Luxury Theatres in rural South Dakota, is back in the black after enduring two years where profits vanished while studios failed to furnish enough big movies to play.

“It’s nice,” he says. “We don’t have to reassure our bankers every time we meet for coffee.”

Logan’s theaters aren’t the only ones experiencing a dramatic change of fortunes. Overall, the domestic box office stands at $2.3 billion, up 36.8% from the same period last year and an astounding 589.5% improvement over 2021, according to Comscore. The exhibition industry is finally looking like its pre-pandemic self again. That’s partly attributable to studios releasing new installments of successful franchises, but it is also linked to a shift in attitude among the major media companies when assessing the value of a theatrical release.

In recent years, Hollywood had a serious case of Netflix envy, with studios opting to launch their own streaming services. To do that, they amassed a lot of red ink building splashy streaming shows and shrunk the amount of time that movies screened exclusively in cinemas as a way of generating enthusiasm for the likes of Disney+, Paramount+ and HBO Max. But lately, Wall Street has soured on the economics of streaming, believing that the media conglomerates that run these services need to be as focused on making money as they are on attracting subscribers. Investors are not too thrilled about all the debt that’s been built up, either. That’s made box office revenues an increasingly vital part of their overall financial health.

“Studios have found religion,” says Eric Handler, an analyst at Roth Capital Partners. “They’ve come to recognize that having an exclusive theatrical window is the best way to maximize profits instead of releasing everything simultaneously on demand. There’s a lot of marketing value in having your movie in cinemas.”

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#85: Apr 12th 2023 at 2:13:03 PM

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Turns out that the way most affordable to the masses is best, who knew?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#86: Apr 15th 2023 at 1:30:17 AM

You know times are rough when even Law & Order is cutting shifts

We don’t usually think about Dick Wolf needing money. Dude just pulled down renewal notices for six different TV shows (Law & Order, Law & Order: SVU, Law & Order: Organized Crime, Chicago Fire, Chicago Med, and Chicago PD) all at the same time, which is the sort of power move you can accomplish if you’re Dick Wolf, and basically no one else in TV. You’d imagine he has money to burn.

So take it, maybe, as the ultimate expression of TV budget tightening right now that Deadline reveals this week that even Wolf is having to cut costs, despite those big, expansive orders for those big, expansive TV procedurals. Specifically, it’s being reported that, while each of Wolf’s six new seasons of TV will be the usual length (about 22 episodes in most cases; half that for Organized Crime), each series will only be putting their various actors in 18 to 20 of those episodes. (That is, everybody will miss—and not be paid for—a couple of episodes apiece, something you can only do with the kinds of ensemble casts the Wolf shows specialize in.) Deadline notes that your Mariskas Hargitay and such might be exempt from the restrictions, but everybody else is getting the TV equivalent of when your boss starts cutting hours at the Sizzler because times are getting tight.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#87: Apr 18th 2023 at 1:15:27 AM

Hollywood writers overwhelmingly vote to authorize strike

The strike vote was approved, with 97.85% of members voting in favor and 2.15% voting against. More than 9,200 ballots were cast in the vote, with nearly 80% of all members participating in the vote. The results surpass the union’s strike vote results in 2017, when 6,310 ballots were cast with 96.3% voting in favor.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#88: Apr 21st 2023 at 2:03:40 AM

Criminal charges against Alec Baldwin dropped in Rust film set shooting

Prosecutors in New Mexico have dropped criminal charges against the actor Alec Baldwin in the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the western movie Rust, officials confirmed on Thursday.

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#89: Apr 21st 2023 at 2:26:08 AM

Pretty much as all legal experts predicted. The DA thought they could make a name on this case and it backfired.

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#90: Apr 21st 2023 at 10:42:05 AM

[up]x3, how will this differ from the 2007 strikes?

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#91: Apr 26th 2023 at 3:57:24 AM

‘Percy Jackson’ TV Series Facing the Same Problem Marvel Dealt With for Years

The article discusses the potential pros and cons of different companies having the tv rights to the Riordan books.

    The article 

Yet, readers remained hopeful that if this new series did well, it could pave the way for further adaptations of Riordan’s work, potentially leading to a shared television universe, like the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but for Riordan’s mythology-based young adult fiction.

Unfortunately, that hope was quickly shattered by the announcement that Netflix had bought the rights to the Kane Chronicles, the spinoff of Percy Jackson that followed the Egyptian equivalent of Percy Jackson, the Kane Siblings. This effectively destroys any hope of a crossover between the two series.

a fan recently asked Riordan on Good Reads, “Did Disney refuse the pitch for The Kane Chronicles or did Netflix just accepted it first?”

Riordan explained that, “Disney passed on Kane Chronicles multiple times. Netflix showed interest, so we went with them. That happens sometimes. Think X-Men, Spiderman, etc. before the MCU became a thing. Oh, well!”

For backstory, Marvel Comics was near bankruptcy in the early ’90s, which led to them selling off their film rights to different studios. This resulted in the first two iterations of Spider-Man films being made by Sony, and Fox making Fantastic Four and X-Men. Back then, the Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy were seen as the teams that only hardcore fans knew, so Marvel maintained those less lucrative rights. How’s that for irony?

Still, the rights issues kept Marvel from using some of their biggest heroes in their movies until they partnered up with Sony for Spider-Man and bought parts of Fox, and now the Percy Jackson universe looks to be similarly fractured instead of connecting as it should be able to.

What makes the situation even more strange is that Disney shares the publishing rights to the Kane Chronicles with Penguin House, meaning they already had the rights to make a Kane Chronicles series alongside the Percy Jackson series. Instead of making the Kane Chronicles themselves or even paying to maintain rights to the series to see if the Percy Jackson series did well, they allowed Netflix to buy the film/television rights to their franchise.

Of course, the main reason for this is money. Percy Jackson is a bigger name than the Kane Chronicles, and if the show doesn’t do well, Disney+ doesn’t want to risk putting all its eggs in one basket, especially since the streaming service is reportedly losing money due to high production costs.

However, this could be good for the franchise in the long run; instead of trying to make this massive interconnected universe of Greek, Roman, Egyptian, and/or other gods, the individual shows will be able to focus on telling the one story they have. It will also be interesting to compare and contrast the adaptions with what Disney+ and Netflix will change. Two competing series may end up being the thing that shows what makes Disney+ different from Netflix. It hopefully won’t be any worse than the movies that came before.

Though, let’s hope Disney at least maintains the rights to the Magnus Chase books; it’ll be an awkward family reunion if Magnus and his cousin from the Percy Jackson books, Annabeth, are owned by different production studios.

Edited by windleopard on Apr 26th 2023 at 11:59:42 AM

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#92: Apr 28th 2023 at 1:53:27 PM

I was trying to figure out who was the first movie star. I want it to be Florence Lawrence, but there's a good argument that it's Max Linder, but overall a lot of the argument depends on how you define "movie" and "star".

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#93: May 2nd 2023 at 12:36:31 AM

The Writers Guild of America is on strike

After weeks of failed negotiations, the Writers Guild of America has announced they’re now on strike. The news hardly comes as a surprise. Like much of America’s shrinking-to-non-existent middle class, Hollywood writers, the ones who make The Flash go zoom and Young Sheldon go “Bazinga,” have for years discussed the lousy deal they’ve received in the streaming era. Many of their concerns center around creating a “gig economy” in the wake of tech’s takeover of the entertainment business. According to a statement from the WGA, picketing will begin tomorrow.

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#94: May 2nd 2023 at 12:59:14 AM

So, in regards to the Writers Strike, what's the worst thing that can happen during the Writers Strike? I'm not that familiar with the Writers Strike, even though I have heard about the 2007 Writers Strike and how that was the worst one of all. But, what can happen during a Writers Strike? Like, do TV shows and movies shut down because of the writers going on strike or do they still continue production, regardless if the writers are on strike or not?

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#95: May 2nd 2023 at 3:14:46 AM

Breakdown of the compensation Writers Guild were looking for and the counter-offers (or more often then not, lack thereof) they were told.

https://twitter.com/adamconover/status/1653272585252257793?t=Kmdi_DMFQjphFCOOqrJ3Mw&s=19

[up] TV shows will likely go on hiatus. Films that already have contracts signed may have to legally be continued (not sure on that one), but otherwise WGA members won't work on projects. Films and shows that try to barrel forward anyway by hiring scabs during the strike PROBABLY won't be very good.

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#96: May 2nd 2023 at 3:52:52 AM

This will also impact a number of talk shows, as they’re classified as comedy shows and have writers’ rooms. I think previously you got a weird situation where the host would still do the boasting bit of the show but but would be on strike in relation to actually writing content for the show.

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#97: May 2nd 2023 at 5:04:36 AM

What happens if a film is out of the country? Like, the film is supposed to be an American film, but they are filming in other countries like the UK or Spain or something like that?

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#98: May 2nd 2023 at 5:15:17 AM

The writing part still shuts down unless the production was, for some reason, entirely written by people outside the US.

One dynamic that’s different today than in 2007 is actually that foreign TV is a lot more accepted in the US, and South Korean TV especially won’t be impacted by this. So we might see that get emphasized a lot.

IMO, I’m on the side of the WGA, completely. Because the past like 15 years has been Hollywood getting increasingly taken over by the Wall Street obsessed wealthy who are chasing exponential growth (a concept that does not work in an environment like entertainment) and one of the places they decided to try and cut as much money out was the writing…which is absolutely critical to almost everything.

The other element is that it’s unlikely for this to lead to another reality TV boom. The one in 2007/2008 was probably going to happen anyway (even reality TV has production cycles longer than three months and there was a distinct uptick in the amount of reality tv before the strike really started impacting scripted TV) but the main reason is that most of the companies making reality TV are actually pretty saturated. There’s only so much content a production company can make even if it’s cheap.

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#99: May 2nd 2023 at 5:29:25 AM

All those "refused without even making a counter offer" are really disgusting. Not surprising, of course, but disgusting.

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diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#100: May 2nd 2023 at 5:36:44 AM

I would imagine 2 of the Writers Guild's non-negotiables are proper compensation for streaming content and no AI usage for scripts. (Though I'm sure there's more than just thise two they'd refuse, rightfully so, to budge on)


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