Metroid Dread - Spoilers Thread

I just hope they keep Mother Brain and Raven Beak as ultimately separate antagonists, and not reveal that Raven Beak intended for Mother Brain to go rogue, just keep her descent into supervillainy as due to megalomania, and Mawkin teachings.

I wonder if Mother Brain's inceasingly extremist leanings gave Grey Voice concern that she was behaving more and more like a Mawkin extremist.

Or it could be that Raven Beak's thirst for power to rule the galaxy was inspired by Mother Brain's ambitions.

That's great thing about Raven Beak's status as the Greater-Scope Villain in Dread. They don't say that he's the reason why Mother Brain went bad. They just made him indirectly responsible for everything bad in the galaxy for the simple act of killing the Thoha before they can destroy the Metroids.

That seems to be a theme with him. He was absent for the majority of the games because of X Parasite pandemic on ZDR, but you can feel his presence in what he echoes of the past. You start piecing together of this Mawkin philosophy and realize... it's still Chozo culture. If the rest of the Chozo indirectly influence the galaxy through Samus and the Galactic Federation, it stands to reason that Raven Beak would have influenced the evil side of the galaxy. He may be dead, but his philosophy will inevitably live on in Samus' future enemies.

Edited by Shadao on Oct 20th 2021 at 9:28:07 AM

Plotwise, the Metroids were still in R&D around the time Samus was just adopted.

Thoha Massacre happens long enough before Zero Mission that Samus was still a teenager/young adult at the time a Feddie research vessel carrying Metroids from an abandoned SR-388 got waylaid by Space Pirates and their cargo stolen. It's not clear if this happens before or after Samus rage-quits the Feds due to the death of Adam's brother.

It's possible her augmentation happened around the time the Metroids had their finishing touches added, or possibly around the time the first Larval Stage Metroids were enjoying an X Parasite all-you-can-eat buffet.

Therefore, Mother Brain's rebellion against the Chozo most likely happens before the Thoha Massacre. Raven Beak might not have moved against the SR-388 Thoha if the Zebes Chozo were still around to offer objections.

I'm sorry...."Freddie" research?

Feddie, you misread it

It would've happened before Samus left the Galactic Federation, given that she was part of the GF when Old Bird was explaining what the Metroids were.

Might have to broad strokes the manga.

I thought we already Broad Strokes the manga.

Fuck this, going to bed before I confuse Samus for a real bird with her chicken walk in the first game.

Edited by Steven on Oct 20th 2021 at 12:43:45 PM

...Okay, before I go to bed, I've got to wonder: have the Chozo always been a One-Gender Race? Also, in response to , here's what Samus would look like in the Star Fox universe, probably.

There is a statue of a female Chozo in Prime 3.

Sidenote, I'm wondering on implications of that Mawkin tribe Fresco with Zebesians/Space Pirates on them

Edited by SpookyMask on Oct 21st 2021 at 10:05:57 PM

I'm getting the vibe that Mother Brain had received some Mawkin support when subjugating the Space Pirates and taking command.

Or option 2, Mother Brain's Pirate forces fought with the Mawkin tribe at some point.

Another interpretation is that the Mawkin had fought and defeated the Space Pirates in the past with Mother Brain as a witness or possibly as an assistant. And this would be one of the formative experiences Mother Brain had that would lead her to think that the best way to solve problems is through superior firepower.

It is possible that at least in the early days, the Mawkin tribe did combat Space Pirates to protect the galaxy, and that Mother Brain did oversee these military strikes.

In their final days, the Chozo did seek to create galactic peace as their legacy since their race was dying, and I can see other Chozo having conflicts over how it should be done, Old Bird's faction established the Galactic Federation and oversaw the growth of various races, while the Mawkin would combat threats to galactic peace, with radicals like Raven Beak seeing conquest as the true way to bring Order to the galaxy.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 21st 2021 at 3:26:15 PM

It should be noted that the Space Pirates were using stolen mini black hole technology, which broke through the planetary defenses of Zebes and allowed the Space Pirates to take over the planet. And who else had mini black hole technology?

Also, shortly after Zebes fell, Old Bird mentions to Samus that their Metroid project had failed, likely referring to the Metroids going rogue, leaving Samus to be the only hope for the Chozo's legacy to be a savior. Keep in mind, before the pirates invaded, Old Bird was presenting the Metroids to the other Chozos in dealing with the X Parasites.

This means that Raven Beak's betrayal occurred around the same time as the invasion of Zebes. And one has to wonder... did Raven Beak supplied the Space Pirates weapons to destroy the Chozo on Zebes so that no one will know what happened to the Chozo on SR388? After all, Old Bird was one of the key figures behind the Metroid project and some believe that Gray Voice is a Thoha Chozo. If they found out what really happened to the Thoha tribe, the series could have gone much differently.

Edited by Shadao on Oct 21st 2021 at 1:01:18 AM

The timeline of all this stuff is weird to me. Like the ruins and things we see of the Chozo give me the impression they're some mysterious precursor race but like...they're not. There are multiple tribes and settlements no more than a few decades ago. Where did they all go? I guess you could say the ZDR, SR 388, and Zebes Chozo were the last ones and they all died within Samus's lifetime.

Well we know exactly why each chozo civilization we find is in ruins: Tallon IV ascended beyond mortality and turned into space ghosts, Zebes chozo got killed by space pirates, and the SR 388 chozo got roflstomped by Bird Vader.

You'll note that most of ZDR's 'ruins' are still working, because the chozo 'extinction' on that planet couldn't have been more than a few days gone.

The Tallon Chozo decided to meditate and ascend to a higher plane of existence, abandoning the physical world until the Phazon Leviathan hit the planet.

The Chozo just forgot to fuck until it was too late and they were all too old.

Like that sounds silly, but just look at how workaholic guys like Old Bird, Grey Voice and Raven Beak are.

Plus Japan has a similar problem prioritizing work over raising families.

They realized life was suffering and swore off procreating.

I understand why. It's just weird that they have the aesthetic of a centuries or millennia vanished precursor race despite not being one.

Where are we getting that the extinction was days ago? My understanding is Raven Beak was the last Chozo for much of the time between the SR 388 massacre and the events of the game. That's a period of years at least.

Edited by Kostya on Oct 21st 2021 at 8:46:36 AM

It’s hard to gauge the time frame of the Chozo ruins since everything still works

But I also felt that the ruins on SR-388 had to be OLD until the manga revealed that the Chozo that raised Samus were also doing the Metroids as a side hustle

The timeline is really crunched down to Samus