The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

Yeah. The whole thing with the older suit is because Scott somehow found the time to hide it somewhere and send it to Cassie.

Five Emmy Nominations for TFATWS, including a guest actor nomination for Don Cheadle's cameo, as well as for sound editing, visual effects, stunt coordination and stunt performance.

Edited by dmcreif on Jul 13th 2021 at 1:03:06 PM

Honestly it’s pretty shocking that Carl Lumbly wasn’t nominated while Cheadle was for a cameo.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 13th 2021 at 12:26:03 PM

Cheadle's reaction is the saving grace.

How did I not notice that Isiah was Carl Lumbly?

I must be blind.

One thing I've noticed about WandaVision and TFATWS is how they would fit in nicely in an alternate timeline where who got dusted/who got spared in the Snap was reversed (as in, the OG Avengers got dusted, while Sam, Bucky, Wanda, Monica, etc. were spared).

Little would change about WandaVision given the show revolves around Wanda's grief over losing Vision. But with Falcon and the Winter Soldier, a lot of the political/social context relies heavily on how everyone had just returned from the Snap, so the Flag-Smashers would have to be retooled a bit. But the government would still be appointing Walker to be their new Captain America, as a replacement for Steve. Though this would mean possibly that Sam would see his entire family get dusted while the Barton family only loses Clint, rather than the other way around.

So, re-watching the finale of this, and I've taken note of the fact that Karli constantly said she was ready to die for her cause. She also said that even if the current group didn't make it, the cause would continue (which makes sense considering how many people they had supporting them that made the GRC attack possible).

So it dawns on me, that with the original group dead, it'd be easy for someone to co-opt the cause for their own purposes, and twist it into something much worse than what it was, as is often the case with such causes that outlive their creators.

It's like the old saying goes: you can't kill an idea.

Yikes, hope not. Making leftist imagery look bad is not something this show needs more of.

That's a fair point.

But it's a question of if the writers realize then.

No hate towards Cheadle, because he rocks, but them nominating Cheadle and not Lumbly (or really anyone else) feels a lot like them just nominating the most high profile actor to have a supporting role in the series without really thinking about it.

I think Lumbly fell into a weird loophole where he starred too much to be nominated in one category but doesn't fit anywhere else either. Still a bad look either way.

Which gets weird seeing as the acting nominations for WandaVision at least are in the appropriate categories.

I think it largely depends on what the refugee situation will continue to be.

After all, they're NOT refugees.

They're citizens of the countries that have stripped them of their citizenship and put them in camps because there's a housing crisis.

I heard that Lumbly was in too many episodes to be considered a guest star. I think the cutoff is half the episodes? So that's three episodes this series.

He was put forward as a Supporting Actor by Marvel, but he got snubbed. As of we needed more proof awards are absolute horeshit.

After seeing Black Widow, I really want to see the Red Guardian (the Soviet Captain America) sharing a room with Bucky, Isaiah Bradley and Sam.

He and Bradley in particular have a lot in common, with the shared history of being proud super-soldiers for their nations who lost everything and were cast out to a decades-long prison sentence. They could share some interesting bits.

Speaking of Isaiah Bradley, there's actually more parallels between him and Bucky rather than between him and Steve. Think about it: both Isaiah and Bucky were imprisoned unfairly, advertised as dead to their loved ones, had their identities erased, and were experimented on against their will.

And by the same group too.

I mean, if anything, partnering Sam up with Bucky would've been a great way to show the intertwined history and relationship that ableism (Bucky) and racism (Sam) have, and how it all ties back into the Eugenics movement (which Steve was undoubtedly targeted by).

Are you making it a habit to bump old Marvel TV threads? This is like the third time.

This thread isn't that old in fairness.

This isn’t the first thread they’ve kept bumping well after the conversation passed. *cough cough Frozen 2*

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 8th 2021 at 12:47:13 PM

Or the Avengers Endgame spoiler thread, which had a posting gap of nearly two years.

Okay, I'll digress, I was watching the show lately and noticed parallels between Bucky and Bradley, which I thought were interesting to notice.

Edited by dmcreif on Aug 8th 2021 at 4:10:18 AM