WandaVision

An interesting note is that her car was at the border and pointed directly out of town. I immediately got the impression that she was attempting to fight the control and nearly escaped before she shut down.

If I am remembering right, the intersection Agnes was on when Vision found her was a three way intersection with no road opposite of her. Not to mention the actual barrier was quite a ways away from the intersection. If she was trying to escape by car, wouldn't she have tried to take a road that leads directly through the barrier, like the road Woo and Monica were on in episode four? Like I said before I might be wrong here, but it is another possibility.

If she is manipulating him then it’s a Hell of a gambit since she’s actively furthering his suspicions.

Didn't Vision's suspicions start when Agnes and the neighbor told him something was wrong with Monica in episode 3? I would say episode 2, but I thought he didn't act differently from normal when Wanda changed the scene.

The dialed-down effects budget and substantially longer run-time makes TV shows better for character and relationship work than film is. Film favors spectacle over character work; you have a short amount of time to tell a single story punctuated by as many explosions as you can manage.

General rule of thumb: the story of a film is about one really huge event that happened this one time and changed everyone it touched forever. The story of a TV show is about the day-to-day lives of its characters; who they are, what they do, and how they get along, all punctuated by smaller but still important events here and there.

This was, for a time, a bit of a sore spot for the MCU. Character relationships (and even whole-ass plot points) advanced dramatically offscreen between films because the films weren't the story of the characters' lives. They were the punctuation marks triggering massive upheavals in the characters' (almost exclusively offscreen) lives.

But now Marvel has the means to sit back and explore who the characters are as people through the lens of television, while still having their punctuation mark films.

I guess I'm the only one who thought Vision and Wanda were perfectly alright before.

Man, it's so rough being the minority opinion

Huh can Vision consummate the relationship?

Obviously, growing a penis and all the associated amenities shouldn't be too hard (heh) for him.

Its amusing that Wanda's common trait is being robosexual.

Even in Ultimates 2, there was a little gag where she flirted with one of Hank Pym's drones asked it out on a date.

And don't anyone mention the incest, I choose to believe the Millar stories take place in a universe unconnected from Ultimates 3.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 14th 2021 at 12:20:17 PM

Hey if one knew what Vision was capable of in bed they'd fight a Titan armed with Infinity Stones face to face too.

He gave himself a cape, he can get himself a magnum dong if he feels like it.

Ultron planned the body so he could bone Wanda. That is my theory.

Also, I should point out that Elizabeth Olsen and Evan Peters have wayyyyyy too good a chemistry.

Which fits those two.

Sometimes a few notes go missing but I'm noticing the themes often have similar melodies, almost identical in the cases of Episode 2 and Episode 6.

Me and Strange Dog are having a disagreement in the discussion page of WandaVision. Strange Dog thinks Director Hayward is a Designated Villain, I disagree. I don't think we will come to an agreement by ourselves, so I wanted to ask for the opinions of some other people.

So Hayward, Designated Villain or not?

Edited by Unoriginalusername3 on Feb 14th 2021 at 3:27:44 PM

Too soon to say. We have no idea what Cataract is (I'm betting Wonder Man or Grim Reaper), so we don't know how truly good or bad he is. Wait until his motives are revealed before adding anything.

Also, yeah, that. I was saying this on the basis of "we don't know what his deal is yet, so we shouldn't list anything regarding it yet," but even if the unlikely chance that he has good motives is true, he's far too incompetent and inconsiderate to be anywhere near close to sympathetic or a Designated Villain.

Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Feb 14th 2021 at 7:24:49 AM

Hayward's a bad cop.

He's thus far demonstrated a reckless disregard for the wellbeing of people inside the Hex, with the implication that he only cares about reclaiming Vision's body for Cataract, despite Hayward himself pointing out that Vision didn't want his body to be used for weapons development.

Hayward hijacked an attempt to de-escalate the situation by sending lethal ordnance into the Hex to assassinate Wanda, which he fired at her and her children. Any possible defense for this course of action revolves around saving the people in the Hex but the subsequent argument where Darcy and Monica call out the illogic of assuming No Ontological Inertia demonstrates quite clearly that Hayward doesn't really care as long as he gets Vision back.

Fun fact: if you look closely at Hayward's drone, you'll see a Stark Industries logo◊. Hayward tried to kill her with a Stark missile just like the one that killed her family. That's a pretty bold statement by the creative team.

And on a personal level, when the Hex expanded, he left Darcy behind to become one of its victims. It is clear at this point that Hayward does not care about anything other than getting Cataract back on track. He doesn't care how many military or civilian lives he has to sacrifice to accomplish it, and he will abandon people to a dire fate without hesitation to save his own skin.

He is remarkably ill-fit to be in leading an emergency response.

The only way he comes off as Designated Villain is if you assume that condemning Hayward means you must support Wanda/the Hex/the Third party. There is a tendency in media to take sides so to speak; if two characters are fighting and one character is a villain, then the other logically must be a hero. Only one of them can be bad, Hayward or the Hex, and you have to pick one.

This is, of course, asinine. Hayward is a corrupt emergency response leader. Wanda is actively perpetrating the emergency. Both of these are problems that need to be solved.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 14th 2021 at 7:23:30 AM

Second vote for "too soon to know" - there's still a lot that we don't know for sure, a lot of which does pertain to just what happened and what is going on. Wanda herself is a genuine threat, possibly (probably) a third party as well.

I would avoid adding it for now. Certainly as it stands he's absolutely kind of a douchebag and shady as all get out but until more things are cleared up I don't think he can be placed there yet.

Edited by jakobitis on Feb 14th 2021 at 3:33:56 PM

He's a bad guy. But he's not the Bad Guy.

I also agree with saying it's too soon to tell. So far, both sides have a point. Hayward has shown that he has ulterior motives, and that he's a jerk. At the same time, he is the only major character who is advocating for the hundreds of hostages in Westview, who we now know are in constant pain while under Wanda's control. Yes, we don't know if the Hex will end with Wanda's death, and Hayward shouldn't have made the call so soon. At the same time, the main trio's protectiveness of Wanda comes off as Protagonist-Centered Morality to some. There's also a lot of assumptions on both sides, like interpretations on Haywards' reason for not helping Vision in Ep 6. One side thinks he didn't help because there's nothing he could do (as Vision possibly can't survive outside the Hex), and the other side thinks it's an example of indifference or sadism. But the fact is, we don't know yet. It should be pointed out that this discussion started because the original Designated Villain post was replaced with a Draco in Leather Pants post, without any explanation or reason. If we're going to agree that Designated Villain doesn't apply for Hayward yet, shouldn't we also wait until the show's over before we assume that one side is right and the other is wrong?

Yeah it's too soon. I also very much doubt Hayward, of all characters, will end up being the Big Bad of the show. He's more likely just a smug douchebag.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 14th 2021 at 11:07:28 AM

He definitely won't be the Big Bad (particularly given this week's commercial all but confirmed there's some kind of larger force leeching off Wanda), but I think it gets pretty hard to defend his actions once he casually decides to launch a preemptive drone strike that would definitely kill two kids, were it successful, while ostentsibly trying to conduct a negotiation.

Hayward isn't advocating for the people in Westview though. He very transparently doesn't care about them beyond how he can use them to justify his other actions. I mean, he was actively hiding information about how many people there are and where they are and when he was confronted with the problem of potential ontological inertia, he just dodged the question and shut the conversation down. He's incredibly narrowly focused and the people seem to be, at most, a very minor side consideration.

Like, yes, the people in Westview are in pain, but if Wanda isn't the force behind everything (even if she's more or less directing it), killing her would likely just result in the Hex going haywire because it would still be there, but it would lack any coherent control.

Edited by Zendervai on Feb 14th 2021 at 12:19:08 PM

The fact of the matter is, Hayward just wants to kill Wanda and call it a day, any other plan be dammed.

While the Hex is a problem, there's been a lot of hints that there's something sinister behind it that's not Wanda, so for all we know right now, Hayward's barking up the wrong tree with his "just blow Wanda up" plan.

At the end of the day, there's three episodes left, I'm sure all will be revealed regarding Hayward's plans, Wanda's abilities, and what's actually going on regarding the nature of the Hex.

Arguing about it now is pointless.

Yeah, it's too early to make a definite call on Hayward (outside of potentially being callous with the people in the hex [because seriously, a missile? That could have killed the people trapped in the hex!], his kinda hyperfocus on Vision for whatever reason [especially considering Cataracts and how Vision was in a S.W.O.R.D facility], and being a jerkass [because that comment to Monica about Maria's death was a a low blow) on whether he is a Designated Villain, a form of Well-Intentioned Extremist, or just a plain ol' dumbass; among other possibilities

Edited by jdeo1997 on Feb 14th 2021 at 1:35:18 PM

Plus, y'know, his willingness to stand there and watch a man die while the man begs everyone for help to save innocent people. Because Vision's body is all that matters.