Ambiguous Disorder/Diagnosed by the Audience Cleanup

The DBTA page has a much better write up:

• Back in the Turn of the Millennium, it wasn't uncommon for people suggesting that Spoony's character might have been Bipolar or had Borderline Personality Disorder due to his sudden mood swings, long passionate tirades, rapid fire shouting, and some of his behaviour coming off as rather manic.

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Change "suggesting" to "to suggest" and it's good.

Yeah, the other example looked like it was about Noah as it referred to his diagnosis and behavior at "in-person events," which likely refers to OOC behavior at cons. Plus older TGWTG entries do have a problem with troping real people.

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Yeah ive heard about the "behavior at in person events" that that's likely referring to, definitely ooc stuff

Is it okay to change it to the write-up above maybe?

You can probably just replace it with the one on Main.Diagnosed By The Audience and incorporate the grammar adjustment suggested here.

Edited by bowserbros on Feb 11th 2023 at 10:43:51 AM

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Need a check on this set from F is for Family.

• Ambiguous Disorder:
  • Goomer appears to be a "little off" compared to the rest of the neighborhood. If he's not socializing with the other men, he's usually off alone peeping into the neighbors houses; including repeatedly breaking into Frank's house to drink his beer and wear his clothes when nobody is around. Also Goomer likes to invokedsmell the scent of his dog's feces.
  • If the throwaway line of "I don't remember doing any of this" when Maureen finds his creepy shrine to Hobo Jojo is any indication, along with Phillip's Nightmare Fuel Coloring Book and suppressed violent tendencies, it can indicate schizophrenia; as he may not really have a conscious clue of what he's doing. He also has intense anger issues that his time as a cop in training did nothing to help. He calls his anger issues and suppressed violent tendencies, The Red Place.
  • It's strongly implied that Anthony has some sort of developmental disability, but what he has in particular is never elaborated on. Phillip did admit to pressing his soft spot when he was born, so that likely has something to do with it.
  • Ed constantly maintains a flat affect when he speaks, similar to the cadence Joe Pera usually employs in his comedy routines, and often smiles inappropriately. When he is eating lunch, he is crying. He shows traits of autistic spectrum disorder or depression. He also mentions being taken prisoner and tortured in Korea.

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This was just added to the Webcomics folder on Diagnosed by the Audience:

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• Rain: It's not exactly stated what illness killed Lorcan Bryer, but most fans assume it to be cancer.

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I know that tropes are flexible, but I was under the assumption that Diagnosed by the Audience was specifically for psychological conditions. Should this be removed?

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I very much doubt the rename was intended to expand the trope to physical illnesses. I'd cut that.

Alright; just did and cited this thread.

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I'm the one who added the Rain entry. So what trope should I replace it with if we're talking about a physical illness?

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Apr 6th 2023 at 1:46:25 AM

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Probably just regular Fanon.

~Berrenta those are all just character analysis. Cut.

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Alright then, thanks.

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Okay, the set is cut.

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I remember the TRS discussion including chronic illnesses, since they're sometimes argued for and related to in fandoms for very similar reasons as neurodiverse and mental health headcanons.

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If the illness isn't specified, wouldn't it go under The Disease That Shall Not Be Named?

This got moved indiscriminately to YMMV.Human Resources 2022 without accounting for the fact the character is mentally ill in canon, it's just not specified what she is. As the entry didn't bother to add specific context, it's either half-context or misuse, because most of the legwork is done by the creators suggesting she has a mental illness that's never named, not fans trying too hard to name it. (FWIW, consensus does seem to lean towards schizophrenia, but this show doesn't have an active enough "fandom" to gauge if that's a majority opinion or if it's anything but saying the quiet part out loud.)

• Diagnosed by the Audience: Claudia is implied to be mentally ill, but it's unclear what exactly is the matter. Sonya seeing her have an existential anxious breakdown about the world is what convinces Sonya to call off the relationship. While exposing Claudia to the secrets of the universe triggered Claudia's spiral, Sonya wonders if Claudia only saw Sonya's light in the first place because she was "sick." Claudia stops being able to see Sonya after Claudia gets help from her sister.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 16th 2023 at 1:20:40 PM

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Yes, but only as an in-universe trope. Fanon works for when the fandom speculates on said disease.

Edited by AudioSpeaks2 on Apr 16th 2023 at 11:57:03 AM

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edit: sorry i'm dumb, didn't see the other replies. it does seem like with more context The Disease That Shall Not Be Named would fit for , given that it's heavily implying a particular illness without saying the specific name

Edited by NoUsername on Apr 17th 2023 at 12:02:57 PM

I thought The Disease That Shall Not Be Named was for terminal illness?

I think we really need to try and draft something for the original definition. I'm finding more and more legit examples that get moved to DBTA without regard for context. We should save them.

Oh so we do have it! Thank you!

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 17th 2023 at 4:13:42 AM

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We do have Sandbox.Ambiguous Disorder, which was meant to collect examples like that.

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Oh while I'm here, I'm going to restore the cut DTBA examples for at least the Belcher family on Bob's Burgers with a slight rewrite to clarify fandom opinions, because it is extremely common fanon that at least Bob and Tina are autistic, but I've seen people headcanon the whole family as such.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 17th 2023 at 4:21:30 AM

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it does have examples of non-termimal illnesses on it? but frankly i'm not sure if those are misuse since the definition of the trope seems very vague. but yeah we do have the ambiguous disorder sandbox, though my thought was that the line distinguishing them was "character obviously has a particular illness that isn't stated on-screen but heavily implied" versus "something is up with this character but it could be any number of different illnesses"

Hi, I'd like to get some input on this entry for JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders:

• Ambiguous Disorder: A number of fans speculate that Noriaki Kakyoin is autistic. Such readings hinge on his large knowledge of trivia (including his tendancy to infodump), his odd eating habit of rolling cherries on his tongue before eating them, his high observance, his difficulties with socialization (can be blunt), his self-isolation as a result of his Stand (which is interpreted as allegorical for neurodivergence in this context), and two moments which parallel delayed echolalia^{(the two moments)} At the beginning of Stardust Crusaders, Kakyoin repeats word for word what Jotaro said to him when he asked Jotaro why he saved him when asked why he wanted to join the journey to Egypt, despite it not being Kakyoin's fight. Near the end of the Emperor and Hanged Man story arc, Kakyoin repeats (albeit changed a bit to fit Kakyoin saying it) what Polnareff said to him when he corrected Kakyoin on a better line to say when you're about to get your revenge when correcting Polnareff for the same reason..

This comes off as something of a Long List for starters, which is already frowned upon, but something about this entry rubs me the wrong way - particularly with how it can read more like a play-by-play Headcanon Goggles argument from the perspective of a single troper (with possible help from a small group of headcanon-sharing friends) attempting to persuade other site users that Kakyoin as autistic, rather than objectively describing the existence of a common opinion.

Contrast it with headcanons of of Jotaro as autistic, which are extremely common and whose entry is more straightforward without the same need to get into the granular details to make a case for him being on the spectrum.

Also, how do people feel about the seemingly large number of recent entries that argue for "character has depression, as proof we cite several instances of them being very sad"? Too much like People Sit on Chairs?

Edited by AlleyOop on Jun 2nd 2023 at 11:47:01 AM

I looked it up, and Kakyoin being autistic and depressed both appeared to be common enough headcanons based on cursory Google searches. For reference, the equivalent point on Diagnosed by the Audience, after revisions by both myself and Crossover-Enthusiast, reads as follows:

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• A number of fans speculate that Noriaki Kakyoin from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders is autistic. Such readings hinge on his large knowledge of trivia (including his tendency to infodump), his odd eating habit of rolling cherries on his tongue before eating them, his high observance, his often blunt dialogue, his self-isolation as a result of his Stand (allegorically speaking), and two moments which parallel delayed echolalia. Additionally, fans also speculate Kakyoin has depression, as he isolated himself for almost two decades due to being unable to relate to those that didn't have Stands. This interpretation is further bolstered by his image song, "Goodbye Nostalgia", which elaborates on his longtime feelings of sorrow and isolation.

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