Death Battle cleanup

Misaka as Killua's opponent was definently not expected and within multiple DB communities Misaka herself has gotten a lot of Literally Who reactions.

So anyone created the drafts for Dark Souls vs Skyrim yet?

Also, can the draft for Akuma vs Shao Kahn be ready if it's understood to be a stomp in Kahn's favor?

I'm working on the Dark Souls vs. Skyrim draft.

• The Chosen Undead vs. The Last Dragonborn ultimately proved that one high fantasy protagonist was well above the other. While both fighters had incredible training and arsenals as well as powerful feats, the Last Dragonborn's feats ultimately proved superior. For instance, while the Chosen Undead's magic was finite and couldn't replenish, the Dragonborn, in addition to having more spells and shouts then the Chosen Undead had magic, had infinite magic that would regenerate passively at any time. In addition to that, the Dragonborn was also much faster - at least 250 times faster then light compared to the Chosen Undead only moving at most around 20% the speed of light, with potentially infinite speeds. While the Chosen Undead's ace in the hole, his seemingly infinite resurrection, would seem useful, the gap in power in particular showed that it couldn't be - with the Chosen Undead only being at most as powerful as one finite universe compared to the Dragonborn scaling to multiple infinite universes via their defeat of Alduin. As a result, the Chosen Undead would eventually hollow no matter what, as there was no way they could ever defeat the Dragonborn in a straight bout, giving the Dragonborn their victory.

Does that work?

Edited by ultimate_life_form on Jun 7th 2023 at 8:44:35 AM

I'd argue against calling the Dragonborn's magicka "infinite." It's a Devil's Distinction, but passively regenerating magic is not truly infinite. EDIT: maybe something more along the lines of "unending" would sum up constant regeneration that doesn't quite reach truly infinite?

And the sentence beginning with "While the Chosen Undead's ace in the hole" appears grammatically correct, the phrasing and order feels very clunky and confusing. So many commas.

Edited by AuraGuardian on Jun 7th 2023 at 12:41:25 PM

• The Chosen Undead vs. The Last Dragonborn ultimately proved that one high fantasy protagonist was well above the other. While both fighters had incredible training and arsenals as well as powerful feats, the Last Dragonborn's feats ultimately proved superior. While both were well trained in multiple combat forms, the Dragonborn simply had more overall. For instance, while the Chosen Undead's magic was finite and couldn't replenish, the Dragonborn, in addition to having more spells, summons, and shouts then the Chosen Undead had magic, had unending magic that would regenerate passively at any time. The Vow of Silence could shut down magic for a limited time, it ultimately wouldn't help that much due to it being limited. In addition to that, the Dragonborn was also much faster - at least 250 times faster then light compared to the Chosen Undead only moving at most around 20% the speed of light, with potentially infinite speeds to the Dragonborn's name as well. In addition, the power gap was also insane - while the Chosen Undead could match the power of the First Flame, responsible for the whole Dark Souls universe, the Last Dragonborn could match the power of Alduin, a being capable of destroying multiple infinite universes. Due to this gap of power, even the Chosen Undead's resurrections couldn't aid them, as they would never be able to match up to the Last Dragonborn and would inevitably turn hollow, leaving the victory of the Dovahkiin assured.

Thoughts now?

Edited by ultimate_life_form on Jun 7th 2023 at 10:27:41 AM

Both of my concerns have been addressed. Thanks.

There were a few errors in grammar, as well as repetitive wording in your writeup. Also, the Dragonborn's "speed feat" is specifically describing his arrows, not how fast he can physically move on foot. My version:

• "Dark Souls VS Skyrim" showed that while both fighters had incredible versatility and feats, the Last Dragonborn was ultimately on a whole other level. Although the Chosen Undead had some powerful spells, including the Vow of Silence which could temporarily stop the Dragonborn's shouts, their magic supply was limited and couldn't be replenished. Meanwhile, the Dragonborn, in addition to boasting a wider variety of spells, summons, and shouts, had Regenerating Mana that would let them continuously cast spells throughout the fight once the Vow of Silence runs out. Though the Chosen Undead has dodged beams of light, the Dragonborn can fire arrows that move much faster than light—arguably even infinitely fast. Most damningly, the power gap was huge—while the Chosen Undead could match the power of the First Flame, responsible for the whole Dark Souls universe, the Dragonborn could match the power of Alduin, a being capable of destroying multiple infinite universes. Due to this gap in power, even the Chosen Undead's Resurrective Immortality couldn't aid them, as they would inevitably turn Hollow long before they could defeat the Last Dragonborn, leaving the Dovahkiin's victory assured.

Edited by Zuxtron on Jun 15th 2023 at 3:03:58 PM

Ok stupid question time.

Is it really a curbstomp if the opponent can revive forever, prolonging the fight until they one day give up?

It's specifically said that the Chosen Undead can't revive forever, as each revival drains a bit of their humanity until they turn Hollow. The fact that no matter how many times they come back, they'll never be able to win is what makes this a stomp. This is similar to Dio VS Alucard being a stomp because Dio was measured as someone who can genuinely kill Alucard a million times in a row and drain all his lives.

I would disagree on DIO VS Alucard being a stomp on those grounds. On the one hand, yes, DIO was judged to be thousands of times stronger and faster. But he also needed to be thousands of times stronger and faster to even stand a chance of winning once, since he needed to kill his opponent millions of times to do so.

It's like, a stomp isn't just "This character is a thousand times stronger than their opponent." A stomp is "This character is a thousand times stronger than they need to be in order to win." If DIO had only been able to kill Alucard a few hundred thousand times or so, then he would still be hundreds of times stronger and faster, but he would also, y'know... lose.

Apologies if it's poor form to argue over previous curb-stomp entries, am happy not to push this, I just think Death Battle fans in general have a bad habit of calling something a curb-stomp when in actuality it's just a firm, well-established victory.

The reasoning is like "Alucard/The Chosen Undead don't even have a one in a million chance of winning." No matter how many times they try, they'll never win.

Also, it's definitely not bad to contest old examples.

Edited by Zuxtron on Jun 8th 2023 at 3:43:09 PM

Yeah, even with almost infinite lives, they CAN'T win.

We clear to add Dark Souls vs. Skyrim now, then?

Edited by ultimate_life_form on Jun 8th 2023 at 3:13:24 AM

You guys forgot another reason Chosen Undead vs Dragonborne was a stomp: Dragonborne had the Dawnbreaker (which was designed to kill Undead) and Chosen Undead had no way to counter it.

Not relevant, in the conclusion they straight up said Undead in Dark Souls are totally different then Elder Scrolls Undead and as such it wouldn't be that much more helpful. On top of that, that doesn't change anything about the power gap. It's...basically irrelevant to the verdict.

Edited by ultimate_life_form on Jun 15th 2023 at 10:07:46 AM

Indeed.

I submitted the writeup in the locked pages thread.

Sooo.. Killua vs. Misaka is almost certainly a contender for a stomp.

Best not to discuss the episodes before the free release.

I would like to nominate this episode for a curbstomp. Killua's only edge - physical strength/experience - was effectively moot due to Misaka knowing how to deal with such threats and she massively outclassed him in every other category - her electricity was stronger and power output was greater and she was way faster as well.

Bump.

Geesh I don't know about this one. Mikasa definitely needs to be careful to not let Killua into close range, which... I'm not sure disqualifies it from being a stomp lol.

I'd be down for adding an entry I suppose... but I'd like to hear more input

The one thing that makes me hesitant is how the analysis emphasizes how Hunter x Hunter is about characters using their wits to defeat much stronger opponents. Granted, so is A Certain [Whatever], but I interpret that as them pointing out that a stats difference alone isn't enough to count out Killua.

The Power difference between Killua and Misaka isn't too drastic all things considering, as no matter which numbers they use to scale, they were in the same class, Misaka was just bigger. It isn't like Killua didn't have no way of victory as he himself had be, Misaka had to worry about keeping her distance less she falls for his close combat edge and dies.

It's like Leon Kennedy vs. Frank West. Leon was simply better equip to win his fight against Frank, but not without putting up a fight because Frank still had some advantages Leon had to respect. Misaka is the same for Killua.

If she didn't have to worry about Killua's close combat and was stronger physically, than yes it makes a clear case for curbstomp entry, but she isn't.

Yeah. In terms of raw power, for direct personal feats, Misaka's is 17.6 times stronger. Meanwhile, the difference between Killua and Youpi, as stated in the episode is 547 times stronger, so Killua has shown himself to be able to keep up with much, much bigger power gaps than Misaka's.

The biggest difference is speed, since Misaka was compared to light-speed feats. I don't watch Hunter × Hunter (I probably should, though), but I've seen it compared to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure before, and that series does have fights where the winner uses strategy to overcome an opponent with a massive speed advantage (Kakyoin vs. Tower of Gray, Polnareff vs. The Hanged Man, and to some extent the final battle of Stone Ocean even though that one went badly in the end).

Here's a quote from the episode:

This indicates that Misaka would need to be careful of Killua throughout the fight.

Edited by Zuxtron on Jun 22nd 2023 at 2:07:00 PM

Exactly, Killua's advantages weren't rendered moot, they were legitimate obstacles Misaka had to deal with and she reliably could. Ryuko's strength advantage against Base Shadow is a legitimate Moot point because Shadow is far, far too fast for her to even touch.

So yeah, I wouldn't call it a stomp. There is a reason why the Curbstomp page had to be rewritten completely to avoid such a deal.

Edited by Mrbda241 on Jun 22nd 2023 at 11:50:31 AM