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Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#20151: May 21st 2022 at 9:00:42 AM

She said she thought the Sith vs Jedi conflict was so stuuuupid and it was all bunch of honkey

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#20152: May 21st 2022 at 9:05:36 AM

#WhatTheSith #LOL #HokeyReligion

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#20153: May 21st 2022 at 9:11:04 AM

She told Palpatine the name Darth Sidious was cringe.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#20154: May 21st 2022 at 9:18:42 AM

She said she was the Senate.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#20157: May 21st 2022 at 9:21:43 PM

Less than a week until the ongoing misery that is Obi-Wan Kenobi’s life continues!

As always, he suffers for our entertainment.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#20159: May 21st 2022 at 9:55:12 PM

Mark Hamill has always fought against men in dark armor using fear and hatred to their advantage.

As long as Kenobi focuses on Kenobi and not a hundred side characters we don't care about, then I think it'll do well.

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 21st 2022 at 12:59:43 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#20160: May 21st 2022 at 10:16:14 PM

[up]How is it that I didn't realize the similarities between Vader and Batman until you just pointed it out?

The Joker movie even implies Bruce and the Joker are half-brothers.

RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#20161: May 21st 2022 at 10:31:16 PM

Guess it's the differences in morality.

But yeah, Bats and Vader do have similar aesthetics and tactics. Just that Bats is a hero, and Vader was.

Motivated by vengeance, loss, self-loathing, and have fought against their own child, (Adopted or otherwise.) ETC.

Luke also had one bad day, but he didn't break.

Edited by RedHunter543 on May 21st 2022 at 1:31:50 PM

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#20162: May 22nd 2022 at 9:10:35 AM

I think that it's also where Obi-Wan realizes that Anakin is still alive, considering he thought he died on Mustafar.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#20163: May 23rd 2022 at 6:37:54 PM

Batman is a sort of anti-hero, not because of any moral failings per se, but because his tactics are unconventional for a hero. Namely, he uses fear and intimidation.

Essentially, Darth Vader is a dreaded "Dark Knight"/"Boogeyman"-type figure played mostly straight. He's a monolithic, imposing figure. He serves as an antagonist, that a hero must be particularly brave and powerful to fight against.

The idea of Batman is essentially to be a sort of anti-boogeyman. He's a guy who took a look at figures like Darth Vader and said "Wait, how come only the bad guys get to be scary?"

The Joker isn't an evil counterpart to someone like Luke Skywalker though. An evil counterpart to Luke Skywalker would be a villain who's idealistic, likely assured of their moral rightness, and who inspires others to join in their cause likely by appealing to its (misguided) morality. A sort of reverse-paragon.

Joker's more akin to Darth Sidious, actually.

Edited by Protagonist506 on May 23rd 2022 at 6:41:12 AM

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RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#20164: May 24th 2022 at 7:03:52 AM

Relevant:

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#20165: May 24th 2022 at 7:43:17 AM

Honestly, Sidious seems closer to being a more evil version of the Penguin to me.

They may feign friendliness to try to get good publicity.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#20166: May 24th 2022 at 7:46:37 AM

He's the Penguin when he's acting as Senator and later Chancellor.

He's the Joker when he's Darth Sidious and Emperor.

Edited by M84 on May 24th 2022 at 10:46:45 PM

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#20167: May 24th 2022 at 7:50:52 AM

[up][up] I read that as “Sidious is a more evil version of Palpatine” and got confused for a second.

RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#20168: May 24th 2022 at 8:22:39 AM

[up][up][up] Depends on which Penguin, because some of them can be pretty violent and brutal thugs dressed up all fancy.

Gotham and Arkham spring to mind.

That said, if we're still on the Batman and Star Wars discussion, would Bruce make a good Jedi? Sure he's got difficulties with handling his rage at least in his early days, and is motivated by revenge, but still tempers himself with compassion and refuses to cross the line.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#20169: May 24th 2022 at 8:24:21 AM

He'd be a terrible Jedi. He's got way too much emotional pain and he's never come to terms with it in a really healthy manner.

He'd have to go through a lot of Character Development first.

Essentially, he'd have to give up being Batman to be a Jedi.

It's a bit similar to why despite his willpower he's not able to be a Green Lantern. When he put on the Green Lantern Ring all he could conjure up were images of bats and his dead parents. He's just too hung up on his personal loss.

Edited by M84 on May 24th 2022 at 11:28:47 PM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#20170: May 24th 2022 at 8:31:56 AM

Most super heroes would be horrible jedi, anyway.

Superman and Captain America are heroes known for their moral rectitude, and even they would end up resigning from the order.

Bornstellar Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#20171: May 24th 2022 at 8:34:04 AM

It probably helps that most Jedi are raised as Jedi. Anakin, and these superheroes, show why taking in adults can be dangerous.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#20172: May 24th 2022 at 8:36:15 AM

The superheroes wouldn't go Dark Side like Anakin did of course, they'd just quit.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#20173: May 24th 2022 at 8:49:37 AM

Honestly Superman would be even worse if he was raised as a Jedi.

The reason Clark is so good is because he was raised by two loving parents who showed them what a family was like.

Clark being raised by a bunch of monks would make him not have the same moral rectitude.

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#20174: May 24th 2022 at 10:15:18 AM

[up]”Wouldn’t have the same moral rectitude”? They’re not just monks, or at least, not meant to be the type that just cloister themselves.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#20175: May 24th 2022 at 10:25:34 AM

Superman acts quite a bit like a Jedi, so he'd be fine if he was raised as one. The sort of values he has is basically what Jedi training is meant to foster.

Batman would be a bad choice for a Jedi due to his methods as mentioned before. The Jedi do not generally want to be feared in the same way that Batman does. The Jedi aren't anti-heroes like Batman is. And that's before we get into his emotional baggage.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"

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