When Disney bought Star Wars and TFA started production there was definitely this attitude of "We saved Star Wars" that they tried to sell to the public. I completely understood why they ended The Clone Wars from a business perspective, but innovation is necessary and too much of a Revisiting the Roots approach alienates the current fans in favor of classic fans. I can get behind a need for TFA to be a bit simpler in story, as TPM was also a bit simpler as an introduction to the prequel era, but when Han said "All these things have a weak point" I knew the goal was mimicry and I saw numerous casual fans (not the ones who would know Mace Windus fighting style) wonder what the point of the movie was if they were just going to repackage things like that. The turn over in opinion, from "they had to be derivative to prove they could make a Star Wars movie" to "why did they make a third nostalgia baiting Star Wars movie", has been rather fascinating to observe.
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I can definitely understand a desire to go "back to basics" for the first movie outing.
However I also agree that they ran too far away from anything associated with the prequels. Because this included the aspects of the galaxy that the OT was about restoring (the Republic and the Jedi Order), they ironically discredited the very movies they were emulating.
Instead of trying to return to the OT, they should of been evolving beyond it in a way that is different but familiar. The New Republic need not be like the Old Republic in any manner beyond being a republic. It can still have a military that's basically "The Rebel Alliance with a bigger budget" that's being led by a lot of familiar faces. The new Jedi Order will still be a much smaller organization then the OT and might have different takes on some of the old Jedi dogma.
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The new republic and Jedi order were supposed to be better then what came before.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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We had to learn the same exact lesson again but more explicitly meta this time.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
More like they had to take two steps back and learn nothing from what came before. Now the past is wiser than what comes after.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 21st 2021 at 6:03:33 AM
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Disney is going to have to take it's time planning out the events after the ST because ooooohhhh boy, is everything fubar.
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Unless they manage to work out that surviving officials of the New Republic that were off Hosnian Prime when it got blown up managed to cobble together a new government.
I mean they can fix the New Republic
I pretty sure most people accept Space is Big well unless you're JJ where if you shot a giant death laser in the sky everybody can see it.
and just have it to where while the FO was busy struggling to hold the outer rim the NR was rebuilding for a massive counter attack but then the Massive Rebel yell beat them to it...
Yeah it throws the FO and The SE under the bus and makes the Resistance look even more useless but at this point Rise has made it a game.
Oh, bother.
I think I've mentioned before that the ST has given me a new appreciation for the PT. Well, maybe not Attack of the Clones — even now I think that's the weakest link in the PT — but overall the PT has aged better than the ST. And the ST isn't even that old.
Disgusted, but not surprised
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Helps that we have clone wars which helps contextualize and improve a lot of it
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Mostly 2 and 3 really.
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Yeah 1 is really unnecessary even now.
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But hey, at least it has Podracing right?
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The main issue with the prequels was not the visual style or the story, but that there was a focus on the monk-like Jedi, all-business politicians and Cold Ham villains, such that it just didn't feel like a lot of enthusiasm from the actors. This was partially due to the use of green screens, but also so many of the actors were just so grateful to be in Star Wars they didn't question Lucas on these things. It got a little bit better as it went along, but it still makes the prequels a little more dense and less of a casual watch. I mostly appreciate the prequels for the innovative visuals, confident story and consistent direction, but I'll also admit the ST are breezier popcorn movies.
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There are several behind the scenes clips that show Lucas directing the actors to give more wooden and subdued line readings, and combining that with his indifference to dialogue really does the cast no favors.
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Even Lucas called himself the king of wooden dialogue at one point.
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Yeah, the prequels mainly suffered from bad dialogue-writing, but they had a lot of world-building.
Meanwhile, the sequels have... what again?
It's why I personally don't believe the sequels will ever reach the "flawed, but we appreciate their existence" status of the prequels.
Heck, even the memes around the sequels will less... positive, for lack of a better word.
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Apr 21st 2021 at 5:58:44 PM
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I think the memes about C-3PO in the Sequels will be the kinder ones.
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I was reading a bio of Marcia Griffin-Lucas
a few weeks ago (George’s former spouse who was editor on the OT) and she noted that George ever since college tended to be very quiet and introverted. Many of the warmer moments of the first film, like Chewie roaring at a mouse droid or Leia kissing “for luck”, he considered cutting but kept at her urging. Bit of a Technician vs. Performer vibe.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 21st 2021 at 9:01:04 AM
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Makes one wonder how the Prequel's romance would have been like if she and George never had their divorce.
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I blame all the molten salt affecting Lucas.
Who knows, but judging from Marcia’s account of working on the OT (short answer: very tiring, not fun) she preferred to retire obscure but with family instead of working without rest on one blockbuster after another, so it might’ve been the other way around and the prequels never would’ve been made.
George himself came to agree when he turned over the ST to Disney upon realizing even just an advising role would eat up his life and keep him away from his family.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Apr 21st 2021 at 9:14:11 AM
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Honestly, I just hope Lucas finds some peace outside of Star Wars, and the fanbase. He doesn't need to deal with handling the franchise anymore and he seems happier these days.
No more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_People_vs._George_Lucas of this shit.
Lucas himself nearly had a heart attack making the original trilogy due how stressful it was. This (and a decent level of self-awareness about his own flaws) is why Lucas wanted other people to direct the PT while he stuck to screenwriting and producting, but took on the job himself after everybody he went after refused and said he should direct it.
His hope was that as a creative consultant in the ST he'd be able to work in the franchise in a minimally stressful manner, but he overestimated how much disney actually wanted his opinnions and was almost totally sidelined.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
“Lucas bashing” and “Fan criticism of George Lucas” were real articles on Wookieepedia for years, which is so much sign of how Star Wars fan opinion took itself way too seriously.