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That seems to be a recurring trend in these movies. You never see anyone do a costume switch until the Flash got his own movie. The closest we got until then was Wonder Woman taking off her coat and she's suddenly switched from civilian clothes to Amazonian battle-wear.

EDIT: Bloody page-topper

Edited by DoctorSleep on Apr 5th 2024 at 4:55:19 AM

Too be fair, I kind of just assumed that he took it off. It is just a hoodie and I don't think we need to see him take it off.

he was also wearing pants

I mean same principle. I don't think they need to show him take them off as it easy to guess that he did. Its not like seeing Bruce enter a room and then out of nowhere he has managed to switch into Batman.

You know, I'm glad Lady Gaga is playing an older Harley Quinn, it's more believable.

One thing that I'm only now realizing bothered me about Margot Robbie's Harley is that she was too young. She was 25 when first playing Harleen in Suicide Squad, and that's a version of Harley who was supposed to have a PHD in psychology under her belt and a long history of crime with the Joker, including killing Robin. The timeline just doesn't work, Harley should be much older than mid-20s.

It's really noticeable with how Jared Leto was 44 in Suicide Squad and Afleck was 43, Harley being 25 just doesn't make sense. Robbie delivered a great performance, but the character should have been much older.

Lady Gaga is 38 and she's playing a version of Harley who's just starting to be seduced into a life of crime, and that age makes more sense for her having a PHD (also Joaquin Phoenix is 49, actually younger than Jared Leto is, there's actually less of an age gap).

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 9th 2024 at 2:59:46 AM

Leto is older than Phoenix? Wow.

Anyway, first trailer for Joker: Folie à Deux drops TONIGHT at 6:30 PM PST/9:30 PM EST.

Is he laughing or is he crying?

Yes.

Oh hell yeah! This new Joker movie looks so stupid, but damn it, I'm a Joker fan baby!!!

I'm like pretty sure this will be the only DC film other than Batman which will do well from the last what five years?

A Joker film just prints money

And even that's technically a Batman spinoff. It might just be that the two Batman-related media just happened to have writing that was more acclaimed (ok Joker was divisive but received as much if not more love than hate) than other DC films than anything to do with it being Batman (as in, I don't think these films are doing better just because they're Batman related).

Edit: Yeah, you're probably right. I just wanted to make the point that it isn't just Batman related media that does well, films being well-received themselves are mostly what matters, it's just that a Batman property might be more successful than a work of the same quality. Batman didn't make The Flash make lots of money, while the original Wonder Woman and, especially (given how hated he was), Aquaman were impressive for making lots of money despite not being Batman or Superman related.

Edited by king15 on Apr 9th 2024 at 6:59:00 PM

Feels it's both. They were better received by audiences and Batman is by far the most popular character in dc. Joker being the most popular supervillain.

It's like how spider man is king in marvel. People will go becuswe it's spider man in it.

Edited by miraculous on Apr 9th 2024 at 11:54:47 AM

People would forgive the MCU if Disney could somehow get Spider-Man in the MCU in a more permanent basis.

Granted the Batman brand is not bulletproof. Harley's inclusion in the Squad movies, and Birds of Prey didn't lead to immediate huge gains.

And even in The Batman's case while it was well-received it didn't crack a billion, but 770 million.

So the Batman brand is strong but not invincible. Joker's billion dollars owes to it being an extremally unique film especially in how it was marketed and the controversy surrounding it, plus being made very cheap.

Yeah, I brought up the Batman not making a billion way back.

I’m very curious to see if the Joker 2 can crack a billion or if it’s just a one trick pony.

Not cracking a billion doesn't make it a failure by any degree?

Bo P and TSS especially were pandemic stricken. Otherwise Gunn failed upwards.

People know 770 million on a 200 million budget is a pretty massive success right? Like that's way, way more than any other dc fikm did recently? So I'm confused where this is coming from?

Like one billion isn't easy to do and only a couple of films have done it. It's sequel though....

Edited by miraculous on Apr 9th 2024 at 12:59:06 PM

Cause you tend to go on about how completely DC everything in DC is and the only thing of any worth left is Batman.

But you ignored my point that is doing badly?

Granted the Batman brand is not bulletproof. Harley's inclusion in the Squad movies, and Birds of Prey didn't lead to immediate huge gains.

I mean. Harley is at least twice-removed from Batman. And while BOP is arguably irrelevant due to pandemic issues (I argue it isn't, it was released far enough ahead of the pandemic that the public at large wouldn't be changing their behavior en masse. It was already flopping and I don't think word of mouth was strong enough to give it legs which were chopped off by the pandemic), it had Harley but it notably didn't have Batgirl who is more Batman-adjacent than Harley is. And Suicide Squad was a huge financial and cultural success.

Plus, you know. The failure of the Batgirl series and the Batgirl movie being written off would be stronger failures more closely tied to the Bat-brand.

I said cultural, not critical. Like it or not, it made a huge splash and it's probably more responsible for popularizing Harley in the wider consciousness rather than the other way around. It also moved a ton of merch. Maybe it only made money on hype, but it did make money.

Edited by Larkmarn on Apr 9th 2024 at 4:31:37 AM

Asterisk on Suicide Squad being a huge financial and cultural success.

The original movie is pretty derided and only really made money on hype like Bv S did. Though the sequel is more well-received but the overall Squad brand is fairly contested.

Joker: Folie à Deux trailer

Hmm. Looks like they're going for kind of a Telltale Batman-esque spin on things where in a role reversal Joker is a bad, but morally conflicted person, and Harley is the one who encourages him to escalate his villainy.

I dunno if I'll catch this one in theatres: I like the idea of a supervillain romance story (imo, there should be more of those), but I didn't like everything the first one said about mental illness, plus even so it was a complete and very well told story so I'm not sure any new stories in this continuity would super grab me.

Still not feeling Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn, but damn they make an adorable couple.

Digging the Superman logo they showed off today.

If you didn't know that was an S, you wouldn't be able to tell. It's just a diagonal line that curves a little at the ends. They didn't even make the top and bottom thicker where the S is supposed to be.

I dunno, it reminds me of the oversimplified corporate logos that lose their identity in trying to distill it.

I agree. I feel like curves are an intrinsic part of Superman's image.