The Boys (2019 Amazon series)

I’m gonna assume she didn’t go as hard as she usually does because she wanted to keep them alive to personally witness the lights leaving their eyes. She wanted to sadistically torture them all in her fury & this wound up screwing over as not immediately killing them all allowed the girls to gang up on her.

That makes sense. Plus she had no idea Maeve was coming. If she'd killed the other two quicker (or at least Starlight, since it's hard to say what can kill Kimiko considering she seems to have low level Ressurective Immortality), she'd have been dealing with Maeve on her own, and it's hard to say how that fight would have gone. It was having to fight all three at once that proved far too much for her.

For someone who is supposedly almost as powerful as Homelander, Stormfront was very pathetically defeated by girlpower.

Or maybe the power difference between Maeve and Homelander is not as great as we thought.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Oct 10th 2020 at 3:50:35 AM

Did you get my guess from the last page?

So, is the public aware of the Boys' role in taking down Stormfront? If the public were to see footage of Kimiko helping beat down Stormfront, it would be totally in line with Vought to try and capitalize on that publicity in the same way they did Starlight #metoo'ing the Deep. Bringing back A-Train and (attempting to) sign(ing) on a Twofer Token Minority (nonwhite + mute) to replace Stormfront would be exactly what a cynical corporation like Vought would do to distract from the fact that one of their senior personnel was a literal Nazi.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Oct 10th 2020 at 7:06:19 AM

No, it definitely doesnt seem like that at all.

Most likely the story is the Seven (which really need a new name) took down Stormfront after they discovered she was responsible for the Washington attack.

Re: Stormfront's German, her accent was horrible (in-universe: maybe the effect of her living in America for so long?) and the German itself was fairly ungrammatical. "Die Apfelbaums" — the apple-trees — should actually be "die Apfelbäume."

It could also be the in-universe effect of her slowly dying too.

I mean, it's probably just that Aya Cash wasn't taught good german, but in universe, lets see how well you speak when you've been burned alive and lost all your limbs.

The fact she isn't dead shows how strong she really is. Also, the fact Homelander still cares about Ryan should make his feud with Billy all the more intense.

Edited by Mizerous on Oct 11th 2020 at 2:00:01 PM

Yeah I'll admit there was a lot of heartwarming stuff in this episode with Homelander's interactions with Ryan.

But I feel like they've waffled alot about their relationship. One moment he's borderline abusive, the next he's a bit possessive and manipulative, then in the first half of this episode he shows he does have Ryan's needs in mind but in the second half it's back to where they were at the beginning of the Season

I feel like that is on purpose. Homelander is someone who thinks he’s smarter than he is, and it shows how little it takes for his mask to slip completely. He is unfamiliar with being told “no” and has no ability to deal with such.

Homelander has also shown that he is able to learn from his mistakes, (kinda slowly) it's just rare that he would actually make what he would think of as a mistake.

And in most of his interactions with Ryan where he is somewhat on the right track, he is usually following someone else's lead like Stormfront.

He also has an advantage in being one of the only people who understands the specific growing pains Ryan goes through.

The interesting thing about Homelander that was developed this season is that he lacks empathy or awareness of his evil but he still has personal standards and ideals he is trying to live by. He genuinely wants what he thinks is best for Ryan, so one moment he pushes him off the roof to help him fly and the next moment he embraces Ryan and removes him from the crowd when he starts having a panic attack. And that look on his face when Stormfront mentions White Genocide was a brilliant bit of acting.

And moving into the next season, it seems that Homelander is actually so selfish and self-absorbed that it makes him somewhat predictable (the only thing he wants is public support, and that keeps him from doing the kind of mass murder we saw Stormfront do and in the head-explosion senate), and that makes him less dangerous as other villains in hiding.

@Xopher: I think it's totally intentional. Homelander Wants to be the Father he never had to Ryan (even though its for the typical twisted narcissist reason of seeing his child as an extension of himself), and there are moments where he's almost on the ball, but mostly...

Edit: Anyway, as far as what they're going to do with Vic, it would be interesting if she ends up getting the role that Butcher did in the comics where he attempts to commit supe genocide, and in the interest of achieving that is deliberately escalating things to the point where there would be support for that rather than her just being a Vought plant.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Oct 12th 2020 at 10:09:48 AM

You know, it finally dawned on me why this version of Billy is a better person, to the point where he's even willing to work alongside one of the Supes he hates so much (Starlight), and even actually willing to save Ryan:

In the comics Becca died of course, but Billy was also forced to kill the child in self defence himself.

Killing a baby probably messes you up in multiple ways. Add in the fact that said kid killed its mother (Billy's wife) just by being born may have been what truly galvanized Billy into his hatred of all Supes by default, since he's seen what a child Supe can do, and he'd eventually become aware of what the rest of them were like.

By having Becca survive and not putting Billy in the position where he'd kill a child, it allowed for him o grow in ways that his comic self would never be able to....which culminates in him saving Ryan, even after he accidentally brings about Becca's comic book fate.

Comics Billy was more superficially charming and functional on the outside than the comics version but even worse as a person whereas TV Billy they've really leaned into making it clear he's toxic and everyone knows it.

One point in favor of Vic not working for Vought is the fact that Stormfront didn't know who was responsible for the head popping, and in fact seemed a bit skeptical that it was Edgar's doing, which might be because of how blatantly incriminating it looks.

Vought has some plausible deniability, due to Shockwave getting popped as well, and Stormfront didn't put it past Edgar because because she considered him to be smart for "one of his kind".

Didn't sound very skeptical to me.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Oct 12th 2020 at 4:21:57 PM

Her response was "maybe", which is rather noncommittal, skeptical might not be the word, unsure would be better.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Oct 12th 2020 at 10:22:12 AM

It is noteworthy that she considers the option, though.

Honestly, it also makes me want to know more about Edgar's rise to power within the company as well - his conversation with Butcher implies that he's had to deal with racism himself (the whole talk about "a white man's luxury" and yet he rose to the top in a company founded by Nazis.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Oct 12th 2020 at 4:34:48 PM

Someone amusing to think about, is that the Dawn of the Seven movie they were working on all season is completely fucked.

Not only is A-Train back making his farewell scene pointless but Stormfront's heavy involvement now makes the movie completely unwatchable.

They have to start filming over from scratch now.

Also ya ever wonder what Homelander looks like in his secret identity?

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 12th 2020 at 9:50:53 AM

They could heavily recut it plus use CGI deepfakery to change Stormfront's role from being one of the good guys into a Sixth Ranger Traitor with a backstory Ripped from the Headlines. While Stormfront can no longer be marketed as a hero given her Nazi ties, it makes her a perfectly good Super Villain.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Oct 12th 2020 at 5:59:45 AM

Or bring in Captain Amer- error Soldier Boy.

It wouldn't be the first time an actor was recast and edited out of a final film. Given the way the show is, I wouldn't be surprised to see a reference to that where there are Justice League-level reshoots with obvious green screen, edited out Stormfront and numerous continuity errors.

Will Homelander grow a beard next season?

Edited by Beatman1 on Oct 12th 2020 at 8:10:38 AM