Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

The description of Nemesis' battallion states that they were brought back by Agartha ntechnology, so it's not just the Crest of Flames.

Mu.

It is incorrect to say that the original intention was for Crimson Flower to be thrice as hard to unlock, and this was changed later. Kusakihara wanted it to be harder, Yokota wanted it to be easier; this was hashed out in a planning meeting, and the decision to base it solely on witnessing the coronation scene was decided before any code was written.

That said.

I'm guessing that if Kusakihara had his way, these would have been the flags:

1. When the Flame Emperor offers you the chance to join "him", say "Yes". This shows you are willing to join "him".
2. When the Flame Emperor and those who slither in the dark are making their moves, pick the dialogue option that suggests it is different motivations coming together at the same time. This shows that you don't think the Flame Emperor is part of those who slither in the dark.
3. Witness the coronation.

Never said it was. Just pointing out that the current "lock" is so useless they could drop the support requirement as well. It just doesn't make sense for it to be this low for a point this late into the game.

Also, if they started figuring out how to "hide" CF before the monastery environment was fully developed and the calendar was implemented, that would imply things working very differently due to more limited interactions with students.

Edited by YnK on Oct 1st 2020 at 8:10:50 AM

Kusakihara wanted to originally going to be thrice as hard. Also this interview you linked is a flawed translation. Nintendo Everything has the complete one that is truly translated.

That's exactly what I have been talking about.

Edited by Tropetalker on Oct 1st 2020 at 5:38:23 PM

Pretty much. From what it's stated, we do know at least the whole hearbeat effect + "THIS CHOICE WILL CHANGE THE STORY" text for the coronation and holy tomb scenes were likely never meant to be there at first.

Edit: found the particular quotes:

Yokota: I’m sorry, Mr. Kusakihara, but I was totally on Koei Tecmo’s side on this one. (Laughs) At first there wasn’t even a single hint about the exploration event that leads to the branching paths. Even as it is now, the player has to explore the monastery at least once during the Pegasus Moon of part one in order to get the “Crimson Flower” route. We decided to give the event a requirement that’s relatively unmissable since most players typically choose to explore at the beginning of each month.

Kusakihara: I personally think it’s about 3 times as easy to follow than what I originally envisioned, but it’s fine.

Yokota: Well, from my point of view, it strikes the perfect balance. (Laughs) If Mr. Kusakihara had only written the “Crimson Flower” route in the beginning, I might have had a few more objections to his plans. But I think it was really interesting how he intentionally created a series of events you can’t predict through various branching paths. The final product is really great, and it feels like he followed his vision from the early planning stages all the way through to the end.

Edited by Blackress on Oct 1st 2020 at 8:39:02 AM

Anyone want a parody video?

NSFW language, and Ferdinand did nothing wrong.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Oct 1st 2020 at 5:33:29 AM

Is Seteth annoyed about the Sexy Goddess Cosplay because it's out-of-place, sacrilegious, or awkward that she's dressed like his mom?

All of the above.

A couple months ago, I made a post speculating what sort of Chronicles of Darkness characters the Three Houses cast would be. I'm doing it again, only this time changing up some of the characters and writing some background information that's loosely based on their backstories. For this one, I'll focus on Byleth, the three Lords, and Rhea.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:44:08 PM

Hey guys and gals:

Do you think that Edelgard told an lie about her parents first meeting? Because what she said contradicted the NPC Cleric's statement that there had been no Hresvelg for ages in the Officers academy and that some other NCP said that there had been no Hresvelg for the last 200 years to enter the Officer's Academy. What is more correct? Our Protagonists views or that of an NCP?

Emperor Ionius wasn't a student I believe, he was just visiting as some nobles do. No contradiction.

Edelgard said that he was a student in the officer's Academy and met Edelgard's Mom in there. The NPC said that there had been no Hresvelg IN AGES. Contradiction is in there.

Hmm, so there is. But an Imperial Prince attending the Academy should be a matter of public record, unless he was incognito or something. However, I'm pretty sure he met her mother years after he himself had graduated.

Still, Edelgard has no reason to lie about her father's schooling, and if she were lying it would be easily disproved and make her look suspect.

Its probably just inconsistent writing stemming from the game's troubled development cycle.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Oct 2nd 2020 at 3:46:52 PM

Still this makes Edelgard an unreliable narrator and that hurts CF and her Character in the process.

Edelgard feels like her backstory was written long after her character was created (and probably by different people). Though it kind of makes sense when you realize most of it is locked behind optional interactions instead of being part of the plot like with Dimitri.

Maybe she just likes imagining her parents in a more romantic light.

Or the NPC is wrong (or more likely had old dialogue that should have been taken out but the devs and localization team didn't find it).

There is nothing to read into that makes Edelgard a liar or unreliable in this specific case.

She flat out admits that the meeting is just an official story that she knows might not be true but hopes that it is. She never lies about the nature of her parents' relationship, because she's ignorant of it by her own admission.

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Oct 2nd 2020 at 3:55:15 PM

So we should distrust an priest, whom only goal is to see the Church and Empire in peace or believe the Imperialist Edelgard, whom we are supposed to love?

Even still, people like me have authorial endorsement to believe that Edelgard was told an fake love story...which is pretty sad to be honest and fits her Character of being ignorant of the reality of things. She doesn't need to lie to spread one, hence why Conspiracy theories are lies, yet people honestly believe them.

I mean Ionios IX doesn't look like someone you would want to date, I prefer Lambert.

Edited by Tropetalker on Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:00:52 PM

Petition to make a prequel showing Claude's parents.

Sign me in too!!!

I want to see the story of how they meet and wed. Tiana and the King of Almyra are a love story that needs to be told.

The title would be:

"Golden Deer and Crescent Moon"

Edited by Tropetalker on Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:13:30 AM

Funny you would say that, I was just about to make my third entry in my 3H sequel ideas series, this time about sequels to SS and AM.

I've made no secret about the fact that I find these two routes to have way less sequel potential than CF and VW, but I'll do my best with what ideas I do have. An AM sequel would obviously focus on tying up what happened in the Tragedy of Duscur, eventually involving TW Sit D again. Though both Thales, Cornelia and Solon are all dead, so it's unclear who their leader would be (my vote's on Chilon!) The most central villain would probably be Viscount Kleiman, hell lets have him take over the albinos somehow, would probably get a more interesting main villain that way. The story would also answer what happened to Patricia. One thing an AM sequel would have over a sequel to any of the other routes is that its the only one where all three House leaders could still show up; Dimitri hanging out in Fodlan, Claude hanging out in Almyra, and Edelgard hanging out in Dimitri's head. Like, with Dimitri's history with Edelgard there's no way she doesn't become another one of his voices, living rent free in his head to the point you'd almost think he posts in the Three Houses Spoiler Thread.

A SS sequel would presumably have Cornelia as the main bad guy. I think the main conflict in this game would be around the Church of Seiros retaking Adrestia and revealing Fodlan's true history. There are two things in the plot of Three houses that got overlooked by the writers even though they really shouldn't have been. The first is how despite it being made clear that tons of people in the empire don't want anything to do with the Church of Seiros its considered perfectly fine to take them back under the Church by force, to the point that not a single npc even bothers commenting on it. The second is the way that VW and SS apparently have the church telling everyone that they've been lying for centuries, suddenly changing their mind about a ton of doctrines, and all the epilogues acting like everyone just went along with all these changes even though the church just admitted to being untrustworthy. I would make both of these points into major controversies that Cornelia uses to undermine Byleth and the church.

Speaking of adressing parts of the endings that I think make zero sense, you know how VW's epilogue mentions the empire immediately resurging for another round and only being beaten back because of timely Almyrans? Yeah there's no reason whatsoever that shouldn't happen after AM and SS too. The kingdom/resistance army takes what, one major fortress and one major city, and that somehow ends the war? Even though Faerghus got buttfucked for five years and still manages to muster a capable fighting force? Meanwhile Adrestia got attacked for like two or three months, with the western half of seemingly completely untouched, and we're supposed to think that is enough to break them? It's especially funny considering how CF makes the point that defeating Leicester in two months only works because the country's leadership is extremely divided and that by taking the capital you take out the main leader of the anti-imperial faction, and Leicester is like a fraction of Adrestia's size. In my AM and SS sequels, the idea of an imperial uprising should be a constant threat throughout. Hell I'd have to come up with a plausible reason for why it literally doesn't happen immediately. Maybe there's major parts of the empire that opposed the war (would certainly explain why Edelgard took so long to finish off Faerghus), and killing Edelgard put them in control of the empire? Maybe the troops in the western half of the country are locked up due to a resurging threat of Dagdan invasion? I could also imagine Duke Gerth being a major figure in preventing the war from continuing.

Well, that was all I had for this post, but this series is far from over. If "here's an idea for a sequel to each of the four routes" was all that I had, I likely wouldn't have started this series in the first place. This is probably not even the halfway point.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:35:53 AM

In a Verdant Wind sequel, Claude's rivals should bring up how he ran away as a child and spent over half his life in Fódlan, so he doesn't understad the issues facing Almyra.

Honestly, VW's epilogues bother me a lot, because the Empire was conveniently not fully defeated so Claude could bring Almyrans into Fodlan again (because clearly Fodlan can't sort out its issues on its own). Also just makes King Byleth look even more useless.

It's the same continent that needed an Goddess to save itself from destruction. Also in AM a Fascist takeover by the Agarthans can function, as all they need is to override his System. CF can just lead to colonialism just like the real world.

What? Claude spends a Half in Fódlan? I thought it was so an year or am I wrong?

You miss the part about how he couldn't handle the competition for the crown so he fled to a place that would make him the ruler just for being born with the right mother and magic symbol.

Edit: Claude spends a total of about seven years in Fodlan.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Oct 2nd 2020 at 10:35:09 AM

I just assume there was still an uprising in Azure Moon and Silver Snow, it just didn't come up in the epilogues. My headcanon is that Claude still brought in Almyran forces to help out if Dimitri is king.

Hmm. All of Hapi's endings mention dealing with those who slither in the dark, which at least some fans have taken as an Author's Saving Throw to confirm they are in fact dealt with on Azure Moon. That's a potential avenue to explore in an Azure Moon sequel.