Fire Emblem Three Houses (Spoiler Thread)

Isn't that contradictory if a muggle born is ambitious and has the traits for Slytherin?

I'm glad no house in this game is shown to be the evil one, just Edelgard and Hubert, and even then they are morally superior to Draco and are the well intentioned type villain, not elitist shits like Slytherins.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 6:27:09 AM

Now I'm trying to think of the the cast of Three Houses- and the Hogwarts Houses- in terms of the Color Pie from Magic: The Gathering.

Red would be Balthus (impulsive and driven by desire), Dimitri (driven by both rage and compassion) and Ignatz (an artist heavily influenced by what he cosideres beautiful).

Black would be Solon (killing you ally for an advantage is definitely black), Anna (not evil, but motivated by a desire for more money above all else) and maybe Hubert (amoral and willing to do anything to achieve his goal, but the fact he's doing it to further somebody else doesn't fit as well).

Blue would be Claude (wanting to learn secrets) and Hanneman (researcher, but also his desire to use that knowledge to re-shape the world).

White would be Rhea (religious, wants to maintain order and harmony), Seteth (same as Rhea, plus values tradition), and Thales representing the worst aspects (Authoritarianism, us-vs-them mentality).

Green... I guess Marianne? Maybe Green/White...

Expecting racists to be cognitively coherent is like expecting Flayn to turn down a tuna sandwich. Having a muggle parent didn't stop any of the prominent Slytherins from being blood purists. If anything it made them double down.

Claude values cunning and is ambitious, but he'd take one look at Slytherins going on about keeping other peoples down and out and would nope right out of there.

How many muggle born Slytherins are there anyway? If we are talking Voldy specifically, He has no ideology other than I reign supreme. And he hid his half-blood heritage like a certain dictator hid his Jewish heritage.

By that logic Edelgard would attempt to go to Gryffindor because it’s better reputation and Slytherins would be against her meritocracy and equal rights for non crest people.

She'd be a Hufflepuff IMO. Really, none of the Three Lords fit in Slytherin.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 7:10:56 AM

CHANGE OF TOPIC.

I just found out one of my favorite Byleth X Edelgard fics vanished from the internet. Damn.

It was reach for my hand.

I also found out that the Rhea X Edelgard fic Iniura shared concluded. It was about coffee.

Enough, or not enough to be precise, to know the Slytherins didn't want them in their house. Voldemort did have a purist ideology, but it had the addition of Voldemort being the eternal supreme ruler because being Voldemort trumped any blood impurities.

Back to the houses in general though. I think it would also depend on if the students know each other prior to being sorted. The Sorting Hat takes your own wishes into consideration, as we see with Harry and Hermione. And I think the close friends among the students would probably want to stick together.

Mercedes: "Annie is in Gryffindor? Oh, could you put me there too, please?"

Alternatively, Felix: "I don't care, just put me as far away from the Boar Prince as possible."

And then there's the matter of who gets sorted first.

Hilda gets sorted before Claude: "Let's see... Bravery? Nope. Ambition? Nope. Wisdom? You're joking right? Okay, so if I pick None of the Above?"

"Hufflepuff!"

Hilda gets sorted after Claude: "That doesn't really sound like me, but if Claude's there I'm sure its fine. By the way, Hat, have you considered accessorizing? You would look so cute with some flower pins."

Ironically the one trait Hufflepuff does have going for them that Hilda embodies, loyalty, significantly decreases her chances of actually being a Hufflepuff.

JK Rowling handled the Slytherin house really badly IMO, their ideals are contradictory. And most of of them are full of dumb brutes who look for a master to serve like Draco's henchmen and eye candy who's name i keep forgetting.

Speaking of Harry Potter, am i the only one who thinks Byleth would sound like Snape? I recall Seteth's VA on twitter comparing Seteth to Snape when like they are utterly different characters and all they have in common is being mean to our PC, and even then Seteth is just suspicious, not a bully like Snape.

Nawww, Felix would want to be as close to the boar as possible if we ignore Byleth's recruitment. He wants to keep an eye on his target, so he would demand the hat put him in Gryffindor.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 8:28:57 AM

Considering Seteth can put his past behind him and tries to be an actual mentor to his students and he was only "mean" to Byleth in the sense of being understandably reserved until Byleth showed they were trustworthy, I really don't see any similarities.

Oh sure, Felix would say he wants to be away from Dimitri, but we all know that's not true.

The blatant nepotism also was annoying him, and while his past is kept secret from the public Seteth himself had all the qualifications for his position. Unlike a professor who has never taught before and has only fought on the battlefield.

Yeah but Felix would only regret jt after hes been sorted in another House. Such is his nature of being too tsun for his own good.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Apr 3rd 2020 at 9:01:04 AM

Felix: Put me in the same house as the boar.

Hat: Why?

Felix: It's not like i love him or anything!!! BAKA!!!!

Hat: You know he was thinking about you.

Felix: Does he think i'm cute? B-Because i have to make sure he doesn't go wild on anyone.

Hat: He was just thinking about how great you look with your hair down.

Felix: "blushes furiously"

Seteth: Nepotism in this Church? Perish the thought, now if you excuse me, my sister needs these financial briefings.

Okay but seriously, given that the interviews state that Seiros only saw Sothis as her mother, is it possible that Seteth and Rhea aren't siblings?

Their hair is quite different.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 9:04:04 AM

Did you mean "Seiros only..." or "Only Seiros..." in that sentence? Depending on the order of the words, that sentence's meaning changes completely.

Wait, i think being trapped in my house with no company for three weeks has eroded my sanity and coherent thinking. Give me a minute.

Yeah i think it's supposed to be Seiros saw Sothis as her mother and creator. No only. Puts an interesting spin. Because it would explain why say Macuil had no loyalty if he didn't see Sothis as his mother just creator. If that makes sense.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 9:18:33 AM

It's strange, because after Byleth's more Nabatean features come out, Seteth starts treating them as kin, family, instead of a friend or comrade in arms, yet even in private Rhea and Seteth never talk to each other as siblings. I can't remember if Byleth was present during that one conversation during Flayn's kidnapping where she says "I see your sister as family too" or something to that effect, but if not it's something weird to say to someone you're actually related to.

I don't know, man. Alien Dragon Goddess genetics and family ties are weird.

So...your sentence was supposed to be "Only Seiros saw Sothis as her mother" AKA "She was the only Nabatean who considered Sothis to be her mother" as opposed to "Seiros only saw Sothis as her mother" AKA "People thought Seiros's feelings towards Sothis was something different than familial?"

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 9:23:03 AM

RIGHT? This has gotten me confused.

Like Seteth states in his tea time convo, that the similar hair shows they have common ancestors.

I'm not an expert but in creationism, do Adam and Eve see themselves as siblings? They have the same creator. Are Seteth and Rhea in a similar boat where they have the same creator but don't see each other as siblings.

The former, i think. We don't know how the other Nabateans are like, but the devs put emphasis that Seiros views Sothis as a creator and mother.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 9:30:56 AM

"I'm not an expert but in creationism, do Adam and Eve see themselves as siblings?"

It doesn't really come up, but broadly speaking no.

Eve is literally his Opposite-Sex Clone.

Who had more ribs.

The Ur-Example of Rule 63.

Since the Seiros church has been based on the Catholic Church, i'd imagine they have a similar story to Adam and Eve.

And that Seteth has to censor the naughty bits.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 11:50:40 AM

I’ve spoken to some really nice people that were Sorted into Slytherin by Pottermore, I’ll have you know. But I won’t deny that Rowling, even accounting for the limited POV, is inconsistent with that House and their characteristics - most of them are opportunistic, but not particularly cunning (Slughorn is the most measured example in the main series; Albus and Scorpius, one of several things I liked in a play I mostly despise, are all the better cases for Slytherin, which only emphasises the sad state of affairs that is JK’s own style).

I’m actually complementing Edelgard when I say she’d go to that House if Sorted; I’d also argue for Yuri, and in both cases they’re examples where the more admirable qualities of Slytherin (like pragmatism) come through.

I’d still argue that Hubert is a really underhanded Hufflepuff, however (hey, he embodies the traits MUCH better than Zacharias Smith!), and Dedue definitely so. I thought Hilda would be Gryffindor but in hindsight, yeah she’s a ‘Puff... As for the others, there’s a mix, although I don’t see much Slytherin among the PC cast... Shamir, I guess? Possibly Lorenz too, although he’s pretty much torn between them and Gryffindor. And... possibly Dorothea, if ANYONE else among the students, although she’d be a lighter case than anyone else more on par with Albus Potter and Scorpius Malfoy (and besides, I think she’s more a ‘Claw or ‘Puff.

Despite the nicknaming they get to that effect, I actually think only Thales of TWSITD is a hard Slytherin. Solon is more of a twisted Ravenclaw, and Kronya... is a Hufflepuff - she’s a hedonistic sadist who loves killing, but is also dedicated to her mission and a loyalist to her cause; still a reprehensible, evil person though, would much rather prefer Hubie any day.

The Four Saints... as I said, Seteth/Cichol is a ‘Claw and Flayn/Cethleann is a Huffle; Indech, from what we see, is one of those two, being rather artistic and clever, yet also kind and honourable. Macuil is a hotheaded, self-righteous ‘Dor, and ultimately I’d say that Rhea is as well (albeit with some Slytherin aspects, too).

Eve is kinda like Adam's daughter if you think about it

Here's my list of alignments. But, you know, don't take anything I say too seriously. I'm the guy who assigned Miklan to Chaotic Neutral.

• Byleth: True Neutral at the start, due to having no emotions at all. Develops into Neutral Good (CF) or Lawful Good (other routes)
• Jeralt: Chaotic Good. He used to be Lawful Good but his faith was shaken when Rhea did the thing to his baby. He took advantage of a disaster to leave his position of authority and live as a freelancer, trading greater power and influence for the freedom to live life on his own terms and do good directly.
• Rhea: Lawful Neutral. She's all about keeping peace and order in Fódlan, and Sothis help you if you get in her way.
• Seteth: Lawful Good. He supports the Church and works through and within it for the betterment of society.
• Flayn: Neutral Good. She's an absolute sweetheart who just wants to be nice and be friends with everybody while chafing under rules and expectations.
• Manuela: Chaotic Good. Would be Neutral Good if her personal life wasn't a mess.
• Hanneman: Lawful Good, emphasis on Good. He's a man of science who approaches his work in a very structured, systematic way; I believe the rigours of logical thought tend to make scientists Lawful by default.
• Alois: Lawful Good. Straightforward, honest knight.
• Catherine: Chaotic Good. She's fanatically devoted to Rhea, and not specifically to the Church. Also a wild, hard-drinking party girl who fled her homeland and lives only for the pope.
• Shamir: True Neutral. She's there for the money and nothing else.
• Cyril: Neutral Good. Like Catherine, he's devoted to Rhea personally, but unlike Catherine, he actually has some discipline.
• Anna: True Neutral. She's a merchant and doesn't care about anything but making money.
• Gatekeeper: Lawful Good. Works in the institution, and is an overall nice guy.

• Edelgard: Lawful Evil. It's kind of hard for a conqueror to be anything else.
• Hubert: Chaotic Evil. He doesn't actually give a damn about Edelgard's ideals; rather, he's devoted to Edelgard herself, and only fights for her ideals because it's what she wants. He's entirely willing to go behind her back and countermand her own orders if he thinks that will work out better for her. Yes, he's Chaotic.
• Ferdinand: Lawful Good. Totally devoted to estbalished ideals of nobility, and also a genuinely good person who makes a sincere effort to understand those different from him.
• Caspar: Chaotic Good. Enthusiastic about justice, but insists on dealing with injustice in a personal and hands-on way rather than looking at the big picture.
• Linhardt: True Neutral. Just wants to be left along to pursue his own hobbies and interests.
• Bernadetta: True Neutral. See Linhardt.
• Petra: Lawful Good. She's a princess, and is matter-of-factly set on taking the throne when she comes of age.
• Dorothea: Starts off as True Neutral, just wanting to secure her own future. Develops into Neutral Good.
• Jeritza: Jeritza is Lawful Evil, fighting for Edelgard and constantly maintaining self-control to hold the Death Knight back. The Death Knight is Chaotic Evil.
• Ionius IX: Lawful Neutral. Removing power from Cabinet isn't a good look, but considering that Cabinet included Duke Aegir I can't call Ionius Evil.
• Duke Aegir: Lawful Evil. He's irredeemable.

• Dimitri: Starts off Lawful Good and stays there on CF. Goes Chaotic Neutral on the other routes, killing for the sake of death, but on AM he does retun to Lawful Goodness but with emphasising the Good part more.
• Dedue: Lawful Neutral. Like Catherine and Hubert, Dedue is totally devoted to the will of his lord. However, he conducts himself with perfect calm an stoicism, without any of Catherine's wild abandon or Hubert's backhanded dealings. As we see in his support with Ingrid, he doesn't care about the morality of his actions as long as they come from Dedue.
• Ingrid: Lawful Good. Devoted to order, chivalry, and justice.
• Felix: Puts on an air of being Chaotic Neutral but is Chaotic Good deep down. Stops hiding it as he develops.
• Sylvain: Starts off True Neutal, only caring about scoring pussy. Develops into Neutral Good, and becomes Lawful Good in his endings.
• Ashe: Lawful Good. Wants to be the bestest knight there ever was. Was Chaotic Neutral in the past, but that's behind him.
• Mercedes: Neutral Good. Straight-up nice and kind to everyone she meets (though shows some tough love to Sylvain and Lorenz).
• Annette: Neutral Good. Basically a good person with no particular positions on order or chaos.
• Gilbert: Lawful Neutral. He works directly within and for the established order and isn't actively malicious. However, while I acknowledge cultural differences, abandoning one's family is a mark against the idea that he's Good. He can develop into Lawful Goodness if he reconciles with Annette.
• Rodrigue: Lawful Good. Another big fan of chivalry, who takes to the field when his people are threatened.

• Claude: Chaotic Good. He's a schemer who revels in sneaky and underhanded tactics, all toward positive ends.
• Hilda: Starts out as True Neutral, for much the same reason as Linhardt and Bernadetta. Develops into Neutral Good.
• Lorenz: Lawful Good. Emphasis on Lawful at the start, shifting to Good as he develops.
• Leonie: Chaotic Good due to her desire to emulate Jeralt.
• Raphael: Neutral Good. Same reasoning as Mercedes.
• Ignatz: Neutral Good. A decent fellow who isn't an anarchist but still chafes under familial and societal expectations.
• Marianne: Neutral Good. Want to do what good she can, while keeping withdrawn from society.
• Lysithea: Neutral Good. Just wants to ensure her family is secure before she dies.
• Judith: Neutral Good. She's not wild enough to be Chaotic, but not straightlaced enough to be good.
• Nader: Lawful Good by the standards of Almyra.

• Yuri: Starts off Chaotic Neutral, develops into Chaotic Good.
• Balthus: Chaotic Good. Values freedom above all else, but also puts the needs of others ahead of his own; one of his advice box questions shows that whenever he comes into enough money to pay off some of his many debts, he ends up giving it to someone who needs it even more.
• Hapi: True Neutral. Would just like to be left alone.
• Constance: Lawful Good, because she's basically homeless Lorenz. (Neutral Good, because she's basically homeless Marianne).
• Aelfric: Started off Lawful Good, working to give aid and structure to the outcasts of society. Descended into Neutral Evil upon finding Sitri's corpse.
• Sitri: Lawful Good. Everyone who knew her describes her as a total sweetheart, and she was, you know, a nun.
• Abysskeeper: Chaotic Good. Nice guy, but Lawful types do not, in general, end up in the Abyss.

• Thales: Lawful Evil, like Darth Vader and Doctor Doom.
• Solon: Neutral Evil. He does evil, horrible things, but there's a point to them.
• Kronya: Chaotic Evil. She's crazy.
• "Cornelia": Lawful Evil. Exerts' the snakes' will through established power structures.
• Nemesis: Everyone who met him describes him as having always been an evil piece of shit. Started off Chaotic Evil when he was a bandit, then he did a genocide and got even more power, ending up Lawful Evil when he became a king.
• Maurice: Chaotic Evil. Just wants to kill and eat people, nothing more. May have been Neutral Evil, or even Lawful Evil, in the past; considering he turned into a monster despite having a Major Crest, he was pretty darn twisted. We know from the DLC that at least some of the Elites were unaware of where their weapons and Crests came from, but I suspect Maurice was in on it from the start.

Edited by VampireBuddha on Apr 3rd 2020 at 8:12:08 PM

Hubert does not fit the standard D20/D&D definition of Chaotic. Yes, he is willing to disobey Edelgard's orders, but only ever to further her cause or ensure her safety. That's more inline with Neutral/Lawful Evil. Hubert has a code (advance Edelgard's objectives at all costs), and follows it. If he was Chaotic Evil, he would be liable to turn on her for not being attracted to him or something. Loyalty is not something Chaotic Evil does, at all.

I get that alignments are subjective, but Chaotic Hubert is a flat out misunderstanding of his character.

Yeah, alignments are way too subjective for me like i see Edelgard and Hubert as both neutral evil as antagonists, but no one agrees.

And i see Rhea as Lawful evil, but that's going to create some controversy so ahahahahaha.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 3rd 2020 at 12:27:27 PM