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Interesting. Will there be break dance fighting?

You and I remember Budapest very differently

Why would they do that? That would be a FUN movie to watch, and we can't have that with Sony's Marvel films, now can we?

Robin: Don't ever ask me to dock with you again. Serious...

I mean, Marvel Studios does have its own animation branch now. Or more accurately, they had one since 2021, but have dubbed it Marvel Animation as of X-Men '97. So on the (very) off-chance that Marvel nets the full cinematic rights to Spider-Man, they could very well do what you suggested.

At least, I thought they could, but apparently there's Marvel Animation the subsidiary (est. 2008) and now Marvel Animation the division (est. 2021), which is also referred to as Marvel Studios Animation, and now I'm really confused which would do Spider-Verse movies if Sony (somehow) lost the Spidey rights.

I guess the Marvel Animation division is more likely? (And incidentally, would anyone notice/care if they grandfathered the Spider-Verse animated movies onto Marvel Studios Animation? Like how people regard Nausicaä as a Studio Ghibli movie even though it was made before Ghibli was established?)

Either way, I welcome this scenario with a "HELL YEAH!"

There was that time Sony tried to yank Spidey from the MCU after FFH, but wasn't that because Venom 1 did really good financially and it got them thinking "hey, maybe we don't need the MCU anymore!"?

That was in 2018-2019. Meanwhile, MW is tanking harder than Morbius (insanely enough), but we still have Kraven and now the third Venom movie to look out for. If those movies don't make a profit (Venom 3 might, because it's Venom, though I have doubts about Kraven), I would be very surprised if Sony doesn't course-correct and negotiate further with Marvel Studios.

I think Kraven's chances to make a profit are based on how expensive it is. I doubt it will be super successful, but it might make a profit.

I think the Venom movies are successful because it appeals to a viable audience, not because they are especially good. They are distinct and not for everyone, but the group of people who like them is big enough.

Kind of weird that both the third Magic Mike movie and the third Venom movie kind of share the same subtitle of Last Dance. Haha.

I don’t know how reliable a source CanWeGetSomeToast is but they’re saying Sony’s already planning something new with Venom after The Last Dance: an R-rated animated movie written by Seth Rogen. Source is their Twitter.

https://x.com/canwegettoast/status/1771659828206735740?s=46&t=7YT7yMPCw2VMMwQUxWj5_A

The Owl House and Coyote Vs Acme are my Roman Empire.

That'd actually be a really good idea. In theory at least anyway.

A link to a concept artist who worked on Madame Web.

https://www.sebmeyerart.com/

One art of note:

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My guess: this wouldn't have been part of the movie; it'd be a flat-out lie confined to the trailers like with Morbius.

That or an ending flashforward like the one that's already in the movie that the trailers would suspiciously highlight despite not actually being much of a thing, but instead of blatant sequel bait it'd be yet another "see, we're totally an MCU prequel, we swear" thing... ignoring that they already established that they aren't via shoving Tom Hardy into No Way Home and stealing Vulture.

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I don't even think you have to go that far. Concept art doesn't have to be canonical in any sense. Someone just wanted to see what art of Spidey punching... I assume that's Ezekiel? would look like so this artist drew it up.

Nothing here is a lie.

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All I know is that this now needs to be in Beyond the Spider Verse. No context. Just one live action Spider-Man fighting another.

The Owl House and Coyote Vs Acme are my Roman Empire.

I don't think they were saying this concept art is a lie, just that if it did end up being used (as in a fight between Spidey and Ezekial), it would probably be confined to trailers or flashfowards.

Edited by king15 on Apr 3rd 2024 at 3:58:11 PM

Yeah, what I meant was, basically, if this art was ever intended to reflect something they wanted to use in the film, then going by Sony's established track record it would be something they would deliberately present inaccurately in some fashion, be it trailer lies or a desperate attempt at an MCU connection.

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I feel like in a few years we'll get stories of what the original intent of Madame Web was supposed to be.

Maybe it was supposed to be more like Terminator and Peter was the intended target of Ezekiel originally, but isn't in the final product.

There were tons of reshoots supposedly.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 4th 2024 at 12:35:26 AM

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

I always though the concept of Madame Webb (superhero slasher/thriller that's more about surviving than defeating the villain) sounds fantastic, though the trailers have meant I'm not very enthusiastic about seeing it. Having it be about protecting Peter from Ezekial would be even cooler.

Oh Beyond the Spider-Verse without a doubt is gonna have a field day with Madame Web. Haha.

I'm strong believer that there's no such thing like a bad concept for a story, just bad executions.

The Peter as John Connor thing was a rumor I heard attached to Venom 3 of all things a while back.

The Doctor is in.

There are a few, but the simple ideas of them are so NSFW and morally repulsive they shouldn't be discussed in a venue such as this.

Other than Spider Man 3, I don't think there's any reshoot in any superhero movie I've seen that has significantly improved or ruined the film for me.

Spider Man 3 had a line in the trailer that I think was better in the film (when Peter confronts Marko he goes "everything" when Marko asks him what Ben meant to him; in the movie he yells "EVERYTHING.")

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

... I'll be honest, the Josstice League cut improved over the Snyder Cut by at least being shorter and Snark Bait, rather than the Snyder Cut being So Okay, It's Average and too long.

... and also adding Jared Leto's Joker.

Bringing into more relevance, the dropping of "Dr. Michael Morbius, at your service" is genuinely inexplicable. Why make that a Trailers Always Lie moment? It's actually a good line.

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Whedon saves Martian Manhunter's image as well. "I could have helped you at any point but I didn't because! Bye now, lol Bruce!"

Random, but I started watching Ripley and Bokeem Woodbine has a small part as a hardboiled private investigator. I was impressed by his acting and I feel like he was wasted in the MCU.

I'd definitely like to see more of his Shocker (phrasing), who in some ways is a hardboiled character (the kind of "schlub who turns to crime" who Fed Macmurray liked to play).

So, I guess I'm saying, please cast Bokeem Woodbine in Spider-man Noir.

For me a reshoot that affected the film most notably is definitely Spider-man 3 and it is hard to pinpoint why, like to my knowledge it wasn't massively reshot, but it feels that way.

Edited by Bullman on Apr 5th 2024 at 3:31:14 AM

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Kraven release pushed back to December 13th 2024. Also will premiere in IMAX